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  • #61
    Originally posted by Mecha Djinn View Post
    Ok, let's look at her motives before going into what she is. The first line of her lore says "Through a process of divination, children are selected for upbringing by the Sisters of the Veil, an order that considers assassination a sacred part of the natural order."
    Right off the bat we understand that she thinks what she is doing is the natural thing to do, so sounds like she has basically been brainwashed.

    "The Veiled Sisters identify targets through meditation and oracular utterances."
    This doesn't necessarily mean that they have a single oraclle. It seems through the phrasing that they all meditate in order to find a target, it is possible that all of them have "oracular" capabilities, but for right now, lets assume there is a single Oracle.

    "They accept no contracts, and never seem to pursue targets for political or mercenary reasons. Their killings bear no relation to any recognizable agenda, and can seem to be completely random: A figure of great power is no more likely to be eliminated than a peasant or a well digger. Whatever pattern the killings may contain, it is known only to them. They treat their victims as sacrifices, and death at their hand is considered an honor."
    Firstly, "They treat their victims as sacrifices". It's already been said that she kills because she believes it to be a part of the natural order, but these kills are treated as sacrifices. It is entirely possible that as mentioned before, she really does kill for divine purposes, sacrificing people for a believed deity. This excerpt also gives us insight as to her reason for fighting in the war of the ancients (Assuming this is of her free will). The only possible reason left is if the Sisters sent her to do so, or if she has gone rogue, but that seems unlikely because...

    "Raised with no identity except that of their order, any Phantom Assassin can take the place of any other; their number is not known."
    She literally has nothing else. She was never raised with any ideas that did not coincide with what the Sisters wanted, once again, she was completely brainwashed.

    "Perhaps there are many, perhaps there are few. Nothing is known of what lies under the Phantom Veil. Except that this one, from time to time, when none are near enough to hear, is known to stir her veils with the forbidden whisper of her own name: Mortred."
    Mystery, mystery, mystery, not really important, apart from telling us that she stands out among her peers, and does have a slightly rebellious side.

    So recap on what this has told us, she is a brainwashed fanatic cultist, who sacrifices people because she believes it is part of the natural order which may be laid down to her by a potential deity.

    I'm inclined to believe that she as well as the sisterhood are working for the Dead God, or the Flayed Twins, the latter being unlikely because they already have their own personal hound. So it is likely that she is working for the Dead God, which leads to her being undead, or undying. The killings are seemingly at random, and she has basically been brainwashed into believing they are a good thing, therefore someone has tried to create the perfect serial killer, one who will kill anything with no particular goal or pattern in mind asking no questions because she believes what she is doing is natural. She, the Sisters or the oracle who leads the Sisters are receiving visions from something (Be it drugs or some deity), but everything they do is exactly in line with what the Dead god wants, chaotic killings to fuel his own army, to lead to more killings, to fuel his army, etc. If she is following the Dead God, then she is probably undead, cause, well, he seems to have a sweet spot for things that aren't actually breathing.
    What a nice and throughout response! Been waiting for something like this for a long time.

    I do believe she isn't living, even moreso with the redecoration of her face. Her pupils are there, but her face... it doesn't look like blood is flowing through it. Pale as the snow. Whatever she is, she doesn't seem human. Not to mention her elusiveness, alike to a ghost, and her sheer strength to massacre an another person or monster in a single blow. So phantomish... phantasmal... My best guess would be, as you said, that she is working for the Dead God - but that she also is a material-like ghost. Somewhat different, yet somewhat similar to Death Prophet and Spectre. Maybe killing others allows her to retain bits of humanity, like her pupils or stature? Maybe even her existence?

    Yet one thing troubles me... Visage in his lines says to her, when she is killed "Behold the world beyond the veil.". That implies that she is not really dead, or at least hasn't really died? Maybe she is a soul exorcised from a body and cursed to kill to exist? Maybe that's what the brainwashing drug-addicted sisters are all about? So many questions, so many questions. I assume Winter Wyvern lines, when released, should shed more insight on this. That is, if Winter Wyvern is actually an undead.
    Brainwashing people is fun.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by 1337_n00b View Post
      Okay, let's try to bash this in again. YOU PEOPLE ARE IN THE WRONG TOPIC.

      Here you go, no need to thank me. Good to know that we don't even know how to read anymore.
      So what they're talking about a slightly different subject that the context of the original subject lead them to? Does it detract or take away from anything of the main topic? Are they not allowed to have their own discussion among the main one, simply because "The thread title is about Phantom Assassin"?

      Normally you're a pretty okay guy, but you're just doing some extreme back-seat modding and unnecessarily brash rule-thumping and (ironically) contributing even less to the thread than the people talking about Anti-mage are. Give it a rest, this is just a small forum, not the US senate.

      ANYWAYS;

      I think whether or not she's dead is probably supposed to be ambiguous, whether Valve originally intended it to be that way or not. There's evidence supporting she's dead, and there's evidence supporting she isn't. It's just A mYsTeRy.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by setuxas View Post
        What a nice and throughout response! Been waiting for something like this for a long time.

        I do believe she isn't living, even moreso with the redecoration of her face. Her pupils are there, but her face... it doesn't look like blood is flowing through it. Pale as the snow. Whatever she is, she doesn't seem human. Not to mention her elusiveness, alike to a ghost, and her sheer strength to massacre an another person or monster in a single blow. So phantomish... phantasmal... My best guess would be, as you said, that she is working for the Dead God - but that she also is a material-like ghost. Somewhat different, yet somewhat similar to Death Prophet and Spectre. Maybe killing others allows her to retain bits of humanity, like her pupils or stature? Maybe even her existence?

        Yet one thing troubles me... Visage in his lines says to her, when she is killed "Behold the world beyond the veil.". That implies that she is not really dead, or at least hasn't really died? Maybe she is a soul exorcised from a body and cursed to kill to exist? Maybe that's what the brainwashing drug-addicted sisters are all about? So many questions, so many questions. I assume Winter Wyvern lines, when released, should shed more insight on this. That is, if Winter Wyvern is actually an undead.
        I'm not sure you can really take much Visage says seriously, I mean, he seems to have a bit of an obsession with what's "beyond the veil."
        "I am the guardian of the veil."
        "I fail the veil."
        "Power from beyond the veil!"
        "I shall take you beyond the veil, Death Prophet."
        "Behold the world beyond the veil."
        "Once a mortal passes beyond the veil, they may never return."
        "It is one thing to animate a corpse from beneath the ground. It is another to rip a soul from beyond the veil."

        I just wish he had a joke line "I'll be here all week, try the veil."
        But seriously, I think it seems like he's making a smug play on her organisation's name, rather than giving much evidence towards her life or undeath. At any rate, I think the poster above me is right, and valve has intentionally left this rather ambiguous, everything we could say towards her being undead can be met by an argument for her being alive and so on.
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        • #64
          I expected a sexy hot PA, and they made an undead face for her >.< . -1

          I also expected a hot Spectre, and they made, wait what is that?

          I like women characters like Mirana, Lina or CM )

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          • #65
            ^ leagueoflegends.com
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            • #66
              Necromancy!

              Anywho, Phantom Assassin isn't dead, but Necrolyte is, as I said. Legion Commander's lines prove it; she says "Never trust the dead." to Wraith King, Undying, Death Prophet, Lich, Necrolyte and Vengeful Spirit, proving that all of them are undead. Phantom assassin isn't in that list, so it's obvious that she is "somewhat" alive.

              That also means that necrolyte is actually undead who is also rotting and diseased.
              Brainwashing people is fun.

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              • #67
                This is as relevant to this topic as anything else by now - the cat is out of the bag, we've decided on PA. Somebody kill this bleeding thing.
                Heroes this user should seriously reconsider ever picking again.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by 1337_n00b View Post
                  Okay, let's try to bash this in again. YOU PEOPLE ARE IN THE WRONG TOPIC.

                  Here you go, no need to thank me. Good to know that we don't even know how to read anymore.
                  LoL

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by setuxas View Post
                    Necromancy!

                    Anywho, Phantom Assassin isn't dead, but Necrolyte is, as I said. Legion Commander's lines prove it; she says "Never trust the dead." to Wraith King, Undying, Death Prophet, Lich, Necrolyte and Vengeful Spirit, proving that all of them are undead. Phantom assassin isn't in that list, so it's obvious that she is "somewhat" alive.

                    That also means that necrolyte is actually undead who is also rotting and diseased.
                    implying LC is the authority on all things undead
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                    • #70
                      Why did anyone think she was dead in the first place? It's totally baseless, except that she's got green skin. Fuckin' racists...


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                      • #71
                        Her vague backstory and blank eyes are a tell. Were, anyway.
                        Heroes this user should seriously reconsider ever picking again.

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                        • #72
                          Well it sure as hell has no float now! And it didn't even before? What part of "no recognizable agenda" makes people think the Veil works for the Dead God, whose only recognizable agenda is KILLING EVERYTHING THAT LIVES?!


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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Justinian of Hattes View Post
                            Well it sure as hell has no float now! And it didn't even before? What part of "no recognizable agenda" makes people think the Veil works for the Dead God, whose only recognizable agenda is KILLING EVERYTHING THAT LIVES?!
                            T'was simply a possibility, and well, a decent part of this section is speculation (In case you haven't noticed, Valve themselves don't really spell everything out in plain English), so in order to try and understand everything, sometimes we need to look at hypotheticals. But they do have something in common, they don't care who it is they are killing, they just kill.
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                            • #74
                              dead god kills everything, the veil is all about specific targets
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Lord_Talron View Post
                                dead god kills everything, the veil is all about specific targets
                                Specific and random at the same time.


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