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  • d.phoenixxx
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    Originally posted by Hefaistus View Post
    This is something people care a lot about, and I'm willing to allow a discussion on the matter, even if it's not lore related, provided that it remains mature. Unfortunately, I get constantly proven that people are not capable of that. As such, people need to be reminded on what the situation is concerning the thread.
    Summary so far: this thread does not belong here, I'm allowing it for now, don't get too cocky. I am watching.
    But Hefaistus, I hope you understand that the bulk of us are mature but there will always be some posters who will just flame, troll or type insensitive remarks.

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  • Legion Commander
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    Originally posted by Hefaistus View Post
    I am watching.
    Now i am scared :P

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  • Hefaistus
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    Originally posted by d.phoenixxx View Post
    Dear Hefaistus moderator,

    I hope you will allow this thread to exist.
    While I cannot speak for the rude actions of other anonymous posters, I hope you understand that this change is in some way related to Lore.

    This is because Luna's voicelines have already been embedded into our minds and this is how we portray and associate Luna and Nova to be. This reason, coupled with the fact that Luna's mount, from Dota 1's inception, has always been a panther, a symbol for feminine prowess, makes for a very iconic identity of the heroine.

    Thank you for your understanding.
    Originally posted by Crowfeather View Post
    The change also relates to lore, as Nova is an integral part of her story.
    Right. Allow me to shoot down one pesky statement that keeps popping up, one that also extends to cosmetic items: The mount change is not lore related. What does the lore say about Nova? Not a whole lot. Her name isn't even mentioned in any lore - only in the voicelines. So here's what is established by lore and voicelines: the mount was used by Selemene as a test for Luna (bio), she's a girl (voiceline), she's feline (bio), and she's named Nova (voiceline). That's it. DotA lore does not apply. Nowhere does it say that the mount was a panther, nowhere does it say that female felines can't have manes.
    This visual change does not influence the lore, let alone contradict the lore in any way, shape, or form. Visual Design =/= Lore.

    Originally posted by Crowfeather View Post
    Also if it belongs in the model feedback section. Then why haven't you moved it there. Is that not part of your duty as a mod?
    The lore section is always a bit less strict than the other sections because of the naturally subjective nature of the lore. But if you wish I perform my duties, then sure, I'd be more than happy to move this to the appropriate section. The private one. Where you can't continue the discussion.
    This is something people care a lot about, and I'm willing to allow a discussion on the matter, even if it's not lore related, provided that it remains mature. Unfortunately, I get constantly proven that people are not capable of that. As such, people need to be reminded on what the situation is concerning the thread.
    Summary so far: this thread does not belong here, I'm allowing it for now, don't get too cocky. I am watching.

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  • d.phoenixxx
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    Originally posted by ividyon View Post
    People will whine about every dumbest little thing, won't they? Ad hominem attack Especially drawing comparisons and crying that something is NOT COPIED FROM WARCRAFT ENOUGH is just so utterly ridiculous. Strawman attack The lion looks super cool, noone says lions in the Dota universe must be male if they have a mane, the mane helps distinguish her mount from Mirana's weird battlecat thing. Your opinion Problem solved. Deal with it and don't ruin a high-quality, beautiful remake of an old model for the rest of the community.
    And for your last line.

    Look at the models. Sure, you will notice the new model is high-quality and beautiful, but look at the old model, it has more colors contrast and makes Luna look overall nicer.
    The old Nova was a black Panther that contrasted nicely with Luna's white hair, light-blue suit and purplish saddle.
    The new Nova does not have black, it is a totally blackish-bluish Lion and makes Luna look just like a mesh of blue-purple-blackcurrant with white hair. The mane also clips into the ground and front paws.

    The community has never complained about how "bad" or "remake-worthy" Luna's mount is. The community, however, would always like a better quality model for Luna's mount, without changing the mount's inherent characteristics.

    I do not understand why the bunch of you would suddenly jump into this Luna revert change thread with respect to lore and demand that the change is perfectly fine, when you guys do not even care that Luna was riding a panther in the first place.
    Last edited by d.phoenixxx; 11-23-2013, 02:12 PM.

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  • ividyon
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    People will whine about every dumbest little thing, won't they? Especially drawing comparisons and crying that something is NOT COPIED FROM WARCRAFT ENOUGH is just so utterly ridiculous. The lion looks super cool, noone says lions in the Dota universe must be male if they have a mane, the mane helps distinguish her mount from Mirana's weird battlecat thing. Problem solved. Deal with it and don't ruin a high-quality, beautiful remake of an old model for the rest of the community.

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  • Siegfried
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    mean that just because it is old, can no longer change? I disagree
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    if it is the best for the game, is to move away from models of dota 1 is the best to be done

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  • Duplosion
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    Incorrect. We are mainly talking about the existing Dota 2 lore and models being altered- this lore and these models having existed for nearly 3 years now inside of Dota 2.

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  • Siegfried
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    Originally posted by Duplosion View Post
    Luna on a lion mount conflicts with the Dota 2 lore, and no one is "crying." As far as Sylvanas Windrunner goes, the ears clearly indicate an elven heritage- which of course differs from Lyralei Windrunner of Dota 2. Also, Legion isn't the only hero to have their gender changed within the game.

    Dota 1 lore and Dota 2 lore don't always coincide. Just look at this tree: http://bbs.replays.net/upload/200904...1579694223.jpg
    the lore can be changed, once changed, can change again, simple, Now luna has a black lion different of dota 1, as you said need not coincide

    the windrunner has not changed much, lost the pointy ears, and now has hair show, a few small changes of this kind I wanted to see the legiom

    so I repeat, does not make sense to complain of such changes in dota 2
    Last edited by Siegfried; 11-23-2013, 12:08 PM.

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  • Duplosion
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    Luna on a lion mount conflicts with the Dota 2 lore, and no one is "crying." As far as Sylvanas Windrunner goes, the skin and ears clearly indicate an elven heritage- which of course differs from Lyralei Windrunner of Dota 2.

    Also, Legion Commander isn't the only hero to have their gender changed within the game. Anyhow, a mod has already let you know in the past to avoid this discussion, it causing the locking of another topic very recently.

    Dota 1 lore and Dota 2 lore don't always coincide. Just look at this tree, there are some very large differences: http://bbs.replays.net/upload/200904...1579694223.jpg
    Last edited by Duplosion; 11-23-2013, 12:05 PM.

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  • Crowfeather
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    Originally posted by The4thSniporr View Post
    Panthers aren't copyrighted. Female warriors who use the moon as the source of their powers and ride on panthers, that's copyrighted.

    Besides, she's still riding a panther. Just a panther with a mane.
    Nope, that was Blizzard stealing from Dungeons and Dragons. THe same goes for 80% of Wc3 creatures.

    Originally posted by Hefaistus View Post
    This is exactly the attitude I don't want to see here. We don't have the full story, it's much more likely that Valve took the initiative themselves to differentiate more from the established Warcraft characters than Blizzard pressuring them into doing such.
    If I see any more pathetic statements like these, I will be taking action. Keep in mind that this thread is already on very thin ice - these kinds of threads are to be posted in the model feedback section, not the lore section.
    The change also relates to lore, as Nova is an integral part of her story.

    Also if it belongs in the model feedback section. Then why haven't you moved it there. Is that not part of your duty as a mod?
    Last edited by Crowfeather; 11-23-2013, 11:56 AM.

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  • Siegfried
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    Originally posted by Duplosion View Post
    Legion Commander doesn't have anything to do with copyrights. Some characters have had differences from Dota 1 when initially being imported, such as Windrunner isn't a dark elf, Juggernaut isn't an orc, etc etc.
    this makes no sense, Windrunner never had the night elf model, she used the model of sylvanas before becoming undead, (practically the same thing this dota 1) and jugguernaut just put a mask and took his flag and cleared a bit its color

    which made no sense at legiom to change EVERYTHING, no small thing as they


    so I say, it makes no sense crying over change of mount

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  • Duplosion
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    Legion Commander doesn't have anything to do with copyrights. Some characters have had differences from Dota 1 when initially being imported, such as Windrunner isn't a dark elf, Juggernaut isn't an orc, etc etc.
    Last edited by Duplosion; 11-23-2013, 11:42 AM.

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  • Siegfried
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    Originally posted by BN_Darkness View Post
    yeah bitch this guy too

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xF8Xdw_pNT...Item+Build.jpg


    I just see the high degree of hypocrisy these people

    where changing a mount is bad and deface the character no

    and the worst is that one has to change make sense, the other does not

    priestesses of elune, use moon power, use the glaives, and ride panthers and other cats, and dota 2 stated the same thing, where are the guys of copyright on my topic of legiom commander to help me here ?

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  • Duplosion
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    Originally posted by BN_Darkness View Post
    http://www.reddit.com/r/Dota2Modding..._bananamancer/
    this guy brought back old models

    i removed the others so it only contains luna on this one
    http://puu.sh/5qDr0.rar
    That is a good man, a bulk of the older models are far, far better than what Valve changed them to.

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  • d.phoenixxx
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    Originally posted by Hefaistus View Post
    This is exactly the attitude I don't want to see here. We don't have the full story, it's much more likely that Valve took the initiative themselves to differentiate more from the established Warcraft characters than Blizzard pressuring them into doing such.
    If I see any more pathetic statements like these, I will be taking action. Keep in mind that this thread is already on very thin ice - these kinds of threads are to be posted in the model feedback section, not the lore section.
    Dear Hefaistus moderator,

    I hope you will allow this thread to exist.
    While I cannot speak for the rude actions of other anonymous posters, I hope you understand that this change is in some way related to Lore.

    This is because Luna's voicelines have already been embedded into our minds and this is how we portray and associate Luna and Nova to be. This reason, coupled with the fact that Luna's mount, from Dota 1's inception, has always been a panther, a symbol for feminine prowess, makes for a very iconic identity of the heroine.

    Thank you for your understanding.

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