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Who are those people from Invoker spells lore?

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  • #16
    Guys, whole Invoker's lore is a big joke referencing both how he used to have 27 spells and how some players would just go Tornado + EMP and how it's an iconic "hard" hero for noobs, becaue you need have good quick memory. I wouldn't relate to it so seriously... As for the topic, just the names of 'creators' to make lines sound cool imo, seeing how Invoker makes his spells from combination of 3 orbs, anyone would discover them all by just going trough all the combinations :v

    Sorry I know it's lame to provide arguments like this, but imo Invoker's lore is so not cool for not explaining the orbs in the first place.

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    • #17
      Well, Tarak clearly made the "summon a meteor from space" spell, hence calling it "descent of fire." While Galleron's spell summons a carnesphere from the abyss. A carnesphere. A ball of meat. Behold it.

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      • #18
        It's weird though that he has to have those reagent thingies to cast his spells if he has known so many, and he has only copied them from others'.
        BTW the other spells said in the lore are his 17 other Invoke spells, removed so long ago.

        Is it safe to say Invoker has no originality, even less than Rubick himself who has Spell Steal?
        Because Rubick has his own spells, Telekinesis and Fade Bolt.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Discerner_DeaL View Post
          It's weird though that he has to have those reagent thingies to cast his spells if he has known so many, and he has only copied them from others'.
          BTW the other spells said in the lore are his 17 other Invoke spells, removed so long ago.

          Is it safe to say Invoker has no originality, even less than Rubick himself who has Spell Steal?
          Because Rubick has his own spells, Telekinesis and Fade Bolt.
          We can argue that Quas, Wex and Exort (and Invoke) are Invoker's own spells. While his lore states how difficult it is to learn spells, nothing indicates how exactly the spells are created. Maybe QWE is Invoker's technique that simplifies the process and allows him to memorize more spells than anyone else.

          Or you can say that his vast memory is his uniqueness. Note how Rubick complains about his own memory when a stolen spell disappears:
          http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota...ealends_04.mp3
          http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota...ealends_01.mp3
          http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota...ealends_06.mp3
          http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota...ealends_07.mp3
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Keowee View Post
            We can argue that Quas, Wex and Exort (and Invoke) are Invoker's own spells. While his lore states how difficult it is to learn spells, nothing indicates how exactly the spells are created. Maybe QWE is Invoker's technique that simplifies the process and allows him to memorize more spells than anyone else.

            Or you can say that his vast memory is his uniqueness. Note how Rubick complains about his own memory when a stolen spell disappears:
            http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota...ealends_04.mp3
            http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota...ealends_01.mp3
            http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota...ealends_06.mp3
            http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota...ealends_07.mp3
            This is what I thought, though I think that Quas, Wex and Exort are a bit deeper than that. I'm glad you brought up Rubick because that's where I'm going with this. Rubick doesn't actually steal the spell or innately gain the ability to cast it on a whim, rather, with most of the spells, (if you look at his animations) you'll notice a lot of the time he has observed and replicated the motions required to cast it. (Probably also the mana-flow (Or whatever fancy energy pattern you wanna call it) of the original caster)

            I believe Invoker's, QWE abilities are a similar thing to this. Using these, Invoker modifies his body for the purposes he requires; Quas for extra resilience, Wex for greater speed and Exort for more magical power. He is modifying his body to the best "mode" for casting the spells, matching the physical properties of the original creator of the spells, much as Rubick replicates the motions of the original caster of a spell.
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            • #21
              It's obvious that the people involved are the ones that crafed the spells, a very long time ago - it's a common naming method for spells in fantasy. (It's actually even parodied and made use of in the Discworld novels, which as some may know kind of amalgamate many elements of fantasy into its fold.)

              I expect the Insubstantial Eleven were either chief wizards of their speciality in their day, or top-leading wizards of the same day. I would suggest that most of them were not alive at the same time.

              On a secondary note - I do love the naming style of those spells, and I would love to see them used in other spells. Note that each of Invoker's spells has alternate names:
              Myrault's Hinder-Gast, Geist of Lethargy - Wex Cyclonus, Claws of Tornarus - some even have two names attached to them, such as Extractive Mana Pulse, Shimare's Extractive Pulse, Endoleon's Malevolent Perturbation - Tarak's Descent of Fire, Gallaron's Abyssal Carnesphere.

              The names of some of them, like Culween's Most Cunning Fabrications, suggest that they were crafted in an academic environment by wizards of varying pesonality (I picture Culween as being a whimsical fellow, thanks to the use of the words "Most Cunning", as in "Oh, that is most splendid!"), and I expect a great deal of experimentation went on in the haydays of magic to see how each spell works.
              Some, like Buluphont's Aureal Incapacitator, imply that the spells were crafted for purposes other than how Invoker puts them to use.

              Thus, I put forth the opinion that each of the names here are not necessarily the most powerful wizards of their times, but simply some of the cleverest ones - the ones that may show up in text books read by young mages.
              The academic wizards like Rubick who had enough curiosity to experiment for what may have been years to perfect a spell, or even just combining elements to see what happens!

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