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Who are those people from Invoker spells lore?

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  • Nemzal
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    It's obvious that the people involved are the ones that crafed the spells, a very long time ago - it's a common naming method for spells in fantasy. (It's actually even parodied and made use of in the Discworld novels, which as some may know kind of amalgamate many elements of fantasy into its fold.)

    I expect the Insubstantial Eleven were either chief wizards of their speciality in their day, or top-leading wizards of the same day. I would suggest that most of them were not alive at the same time.

    On a secondary note - I do love the naming style of those spells, and I would love to see them used in other spells. Note that each of Invoker's spells has alternate names:
    Myrault's Hinder-Gast, Geist of Lethargy - Wex Cyclonus, Claws of Tornarus - some even have two names attached to them, such as Extractive Mana Pulse, Shimare's Extractive Pulse, Endoleon's Malevolent Perturbation - Tarak's Descent of Fire, Gallaron's Abyssal Carnesphere.

    The names of some of them, like Culween's Most Cunning Fabrications, suggest that they were crafted in an academic environment by wizards of varying pesonality (I picture Culween as being a whimsical fellow, thanks to the use of the words "Most Cunning", as in "Oh, that is most splendid!"), and I expect a great deal of experimentation went on in the haydays of magic to see how each spell works.
    Some, like Buluphont's Aureal Incapacitator, imply that the spells were crafted for purposes other than how Invoker puts them to use.

    Thus, I put forth the opinion that each of the names here are not necessarily the most powerful wizards of their times, but simply some of the cleverest ones - the ones that may show up in text books read by young mages.
    The academic wizards like Rubick who had enough curiosity to experiment for what may have been years to perfect a spell, or even just combining elements to see what happens!

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  • Mecha Djinn
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    Originally posted by Keowee View Post
    We can argue that Quas, Wex and Exort (and Invoke) are Invoker's own spells. While his lore states how difficult it is to learn spells, nothing indicates how exactly the spells are created. Maybe QWE is Invoker's technique that simplifies the process and allows him to memorize more spells than anyone else.

    Or you can say that his vast memory is his uniqueness. Note how Rubick complains about his own memory when a stolen spell disappears:
    http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota...ealends_04.mp3
    http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota...ealends_01.mp3
    http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota...ealends_06.mp3
    http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota...ealends_07.mp3
    This is what I thought, though I think that Quas, Wex and Exort are a bit deeper than that. I'm glad you brought up Rubick because that's where I'm going with this. Rubick doesn't actually steal the spell or innately gain the ability to cast it on a whim, rather, with most of the spells, (if you look at his animations) you'll notice a lot of the time he has observed and replicated the motions required to cast it. (Probably also the mana-flow (Or whatever fancy energy pattern you wanna call it) of the original caster)

    I believe Invoker's, QWE abilities are a similar thing to this. Using these, Invoker modifies his body for the purposes he requires; Quas for extra resilience, Wex for greater speed and Exort for more magical power. He is modifying his body to the best "mode" for casting the spells, matching the physical properties of the original creator of the spells, much as Rubick replicates the motions of the original caster of a spell.

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  • Keowee
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    Originally posted by Discerner_DeaL View Post
    It's weird though that he has to have those reagent thingies to cast his spells if he has known so many, and he has only copied them from others'.
    BTW the other spells said in the lore are his 17 other Invoke spells, removed so long ago.

    Is it safe to say Invoker has no originality, even less than Rubick himself who has Spell Steal?
    Because Rubick has his own spells, Telekinesis and Fade Bolt.
    We can argue that Quas, Wex and Exort (and Invoke) are Invoker's own spells. While his lore states how difficult it is to learn spells, nothing indicates how exactly the spells are created. Maybe QWE is Invoker's technique that simplifies the process and allows him to memorize more spells than anyone else.

    Or you can say that his vast memory is his uniqueness. Note how Rubick complains about his own memory when a stolen spell disappears:
    http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota...ealends_04.mp3
    http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota...ealends_01.mp3
    http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota...ealends_06.mp3
    http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota...ealends_07.mp3

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  • Discerner_DeaL
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    It's weird though that he has to have those reagent thingies to cast his spells if he has known so many, and he has only copied them from others'.
    BTW the other spells said in the lore are his 17 other Invoke spells, removed so long ago.

    Is it safe to say Invoker has no originality, even less than Rubick himself who has Spell Steal?
    Because Rubick has his own spells, Telekinesis and Fade Bolt.

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  • Foul Fagus
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    Well, Tarak clearly made the "summon a meteor from space" spell, hence calling it "descent of fire." While Galleron's spell summons a carnesphere from the abyss. A carnesphere. A ball of meat. Behold it.

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  • SoJa
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    Guys, whole Invoker's lore is a big joke referencing both how he used to have 27 spells and how some players would just go Tornado + EMP and how it's an iconic "hard" hero for noobs, becaue you need have good quick memory. I wouldn't relate to it so seriously... As for the topic, just the names of 'creators' to make lines sound cool imo, seeing how Invoker makes his spells from combination of 3 orbs, anyone would discover them all by just going trough all the combinations :v

    Sorry I know it's lame to provide arguments like this, but imo Invoker's lore is so not cool for not explaining the orbs in the first place.

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  • Phalanx300
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    Invoker learned the spells and only remembered the ones he deemed usefull, forgetting others. So its suggesting that the spells he has are spells from other mages which Invoker has learned to master. I also like how Invokers lore explains why most heroes have only four abilities and how special it is to even know one spell for that matter:

    The greatest mages in those days were the ones blessed with the greatest memories, and yet so complex were the invocations that all wizards were forced to specialize. The most devoted might hope in a lifetime to have adequate recollection of three spells—four at most. Ordinary wizards were content to know two, and it was not uncommon for a village mage to know only one—with even that requiring him to consult grimoires as an aid against forgetfulness on the rare occasions when he might be called to use it.

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  • Takesis
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    Umm, reddit seems to have an idea that Gallaron and Tarak are the same person. So is Shimare and Endoleon.

    Originally posted by Justinian of Hattes View Post
    Well Invoker is only special because he has the mental capacity to learn a ludicrous amount of spells and his unnaturally long lifespan. We can conclude that the names are of the original creators of the spells and Invoker deigned them worthy enough to remember and incant.
    I'll go with this. I think that they are the progenitors of magic too, the first magi. If they are members of the Insubstantial Eleven I'll say that they are named so because they are ghosts, or go the Harry Potter style, portraits. Meaning that they are long gone from the world and the mages, wizards, and sorcerers asks their counsel from time to time.

    If Valve ever decides to make them the insubstantial eleven, then I hope they go with this route:

    Harlek, the Solar Magus
    Shimare Endoleon, the Energy Magus
    Sadron, the Gelid Magus
    Gallaron Tarak, the Magus of Disaster
    Culween, the Magus of the Forge
    Gaster, the Magus of War
    Tornarus, the Zephyr Magus
    Koryx, the Magus of Glaciers
    Myrault, the Phantom Magus
    Buluphont, the Sound Magus
    Unknown 11th member, maybe Aghanim, Magus of Amelioration

    I doubt Invoker is a member since he does not seem to care about society it seems. He's merely amusing himself every day so I doubt if he will bother to rule over the world of sorcery. I'll say he was honored with the title Arsenal Magus by the Hidden Council but he decided not to use it, just because.

    All hail Carl

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  • Legion Commander
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    Originally posted by Justinian of Hattes View Post
    You know the High Elves aren't JUST from Skrimity Skrom, right?
    I know. However, high elves (in some other games/books/etc) are not arrogant like they are in skyrim, and Invoker suits an Altmer perfectly.

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  • Justinian of Hattes
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    You know the High Elves aren't JUST from Skrimity Skrom, right? And yes, Invoker is a pompous asshole.

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  • Legion Commander
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    Originally posted by Justinian of Hattes View Post
    Well Invoker is only special because he has the mental capacity to learn a ludicrous amount of spells and his unnaturally long lifespan. We can conclude that the names are of the original creators of the spells and Invoker deigned them worthy enough to remember and incant. Also Harlek is an asshole for inventing Sunstrike.
    But isn't Invoker too? XD

    despite valve made him as human, he literally acts like Altmer :P (High Elf for who does not know about skyrim)
    Last edited by Legion Commander; 03-01-2014, 06:50 AM.

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  • grobyx
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    Originally posted by Justinian of Hattes View Post
    Well Invoker is only special because he has the mental capacity to learn a ludicrous amount of spells and his unnaturally long lifespan. We can conclude that the names are of the original creators of the spells and Invoker deigned them worthy enough to remember and incant. Also Harlek is an asshole for inventing Sunstrike.
    I totally agree with this and have always thought so too. Well said and very eloquent Have a cookie sir.

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  • DigitalMaster
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    Invokers lifespan comes from a spell/ritual he casted on himself, but he himself doesn't know if its an immortality or longevity spell.

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  • Justinian of Hattes
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    Well Invoker is only special because he has the mental capacity to learn a ludicrous amount of spells and his unnaturally long lifespan. We can conclude that the names are of the original creators of the spells and Invoker deigned them worthy enough to remember and incant. Also Harlek is an asshole for inventing Sunstrike.

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  • HyperioN.
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    Well i think it's quite probable that he learned that spells from their creators but i doubt he killed them.

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