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  • #61
    Originally posted by torgonudho View Post
    And actually Anti Mage is in "4)'Normal heroes and beasts" right? But he slayed the Dead Gods.
    1) There is more than 1 Dead God?

    2) Where is the sourcerino?

    Originally posted by Phoenix.
    2013: 10 heroes, 3 reworks, 4 events, hats, 1 arcana and TI
    2014: 4 heroes, 2 events, 2 arcanas, hats, 1 rework and TI.
    Lazyness. Not to mention the lack of bugfixes, and the amount of new ones with each new content added


    Credits to Phoenix.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Khassar View Post
      That's pretty much what I said.



      For all we can gather from the lore his control is localized, he can't time-travel more than few moments in the past or frezze greater portions of space. Fundamentals are personifications of universe-spanning laws while the heroes like ET and AA take part in universe-defining events.
      Well you said this "If the lore given through skillset/hero lore is the only criterion then Phoenix is pretty close to Enigma in terms of power, since black holes are created when big enough stars go supernova. But sure, Enigma is a fundamental while Pheonix is not so the difference probably isn't that small after all."

      When big enough stars go supernova, completely ignoring the fact that blackholes are not created from supernovas they are created from collapsing neutrons stars, Supernovas are what happen before a neutron star is formed its effectively the outer shell being shot away.

      Also that isn't his law that's his abilities which are "supposedly limited " , if you see Et and AA laws it has nothing about them having great power. ET was as smith of creation for this current universe , that doesn't mean he could control or manipulate time. ET is not all that powerful, just because he experienced the earliest parts of the universe doesn't mean he has the power of the universe, that is an assumption on your part.

      AA is the end of the universe and like Void is not a part of the universe. AA is in a realm without time like Void. AA however only grows in power as the universe comes near its end, since the universe is no where near its end he is weak, much like ET is a shadow of what he used to be.

      Engima is still shrouded in questions and not much is known about him.

      Void is able to control time, --- even in localized events that tremendous power in itself. Something which niether AA or enigmia can do. AA can only freeze matter, this in effect killing it (This is at his most powerful form). since void stops time, he can freeze matter without harming it this takes more power/control. Moreover AA in his current form can't do much his freezing is localized and its not in full effect its not instant death freezing that would be expected from a fully powered AA.
      Last edited by Crowfeather; 04-22-2014, 08:21 AM.
      Originally posted by Typhox
      Nope. Windows Explorer is not a database
      Take a look into the mirror! You think you are completely unfailable. With your limited knowledge, you think that you know more than someone who is very deep in the matter/an expert.

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      • #63
        1)My bad, my steam Language is not English and they translated it wrong.

        2)What u mean with sourcerino?U mean source? XD

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        • #64
          Originally posted by torgonudho View Post
          And actually Anti Mage is in "4)'Normal heroes and beasts" right? But he slayed the Dead Gods.
          Yeah, I supposed that he should be considered normal. He didn't destroy the Dead God (not gods, there is only one Dead God), only vowed to destroy him.

          Originally posted by Crowfeather View Post
          Well you said this "If the lore given through skillset/hero lore is the only criterion then Phoenix is pretty close to Enigma in terms of power, since black holes are created when big enough stars go supernova. But sure, Enigma is a fundamental while Pheonix is not so the difference probably isn't that small after all."

          When big enough stars go supernova, completely ignoring the fact that blackholes are not created from supernovas they are created from collapsing neutrons stars, Supernovas are what happen before a neutron star is formed its effectively the outer shell being shot away.
          You just said 'black holes are not created from supernovas, they are created from neutron stars, who are created from supernovas'. I'd suggest you to check your facts, black holes are mostly formed after big enough stars die (i.e. go supernova).

          Also that isn't his law that's his abilities which are "supposedly limited " , if you see Et and AA laws it has nothing about them having great power. ET was as smith of creation for this current universe , that doesn't mean he could control or manipulate time. ET is not all that powerful, just because he experienced the earliest parts of the universe doesn't mean he has the power of the universe, that is an assumption on your part.

          AA is the end of the universe and like Void is not a part of the universe. AA is in a realm without time like Void. AA however only grows in power as the universe comes near its end, since the universe is no where near its end he is weak, much like ET is a shadow of what he used to be.

          Engima is still shrouded in questions and not much is known about him.

          Void is able to control time, --- even in localized events that tremendous power in itself. Something which niether AA or enigmia can do. AA can only freeze matter, this in effect killing it (This is at his most powerful form). since void stops time, he can freeze matter without harming it this takes more power/control. Moreover AA in his current form can't do much his freezing is localized and its not in full effect its not instant death freezing that would be expected from a fully powered AA.
          ET has taken part in events that have greatly affected the universe of the ingame setting, and while AA was described as the 'faintest projection of his true self', taking in account the rest of his lore I'd wager that this faintest projection is still more than your average ice mage. Void's shallow lore mentions nothing but the fact that he can bend time to his will (and yes, if the ingame effects are any indication, in a very limited number of ways). Put simply, both ET and AA have their lores to ham them up a bit while Void is just some random dude with time powers, whose extent is never mentioned in the lore.

          Enigma is confirmed to be a Fundamental, that much is known and that's enough to place him very high power-wise.
          Last edited by Khassar; 04-22-2014, 10:45 AM.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by torgonudho View Post
            1)My bad, my steam Language is not English and they translated it wrong.

            2)What u mean with sourcerino?U mean source? XD
            Yup, source ^^

            Originally posted by Phoenix.
            2013: 10 heroes, 3 reworks, 4 events, hats, 1 arcana and TI
            2014: 4 heroes, 2 events, 2 arcanas, hats, 1 rework and TI.
            Lazyness. Not to mention the lack of bugfixes, and the amount of new ones with each new content added


            Credits to Phoenix.

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            • #66
              Contrary to what many people might think, Chaos Knight is actually the strongest Fundamental including Enigma.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by looldude View Post
                Contrary to what many people might think, Chaos Knight is actually the strongest Fundamental including Enigma.
                Who said he is weakest? O.o

                Originally posted by Phoenix.
                2013: 10 heroes, 3 reworks, 4 events, hats, 1 arcana and TI
                2014: 4 heroes, 2 events, 2 arcanas, hats, 1 rework and TI.
                Lazyness. Not to mention the lack of bugfixes, and the amount of new ones with each new content added


                Credits to Phoenix.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Legion Commander View Post
                  Who said he is weakest? O.o
                  Just seems as though people keep saying Enigma is the strongest.

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                  • #69
                    Well the sources are Anti-Mage's bio and Khassar's classification.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by torgonudho View Post
                      Well the sources are Anti-Mage's bio and Khassar's classification.
                      Anti-Mage did not kill the Dead God in the bio, so ye ...

                      Originally posted by Phoenix.
                      2013: 10 heroes, 3 reworks, 4 events, hats, 1 arcana and TI
                      2014: 4 heroes, 2 events, 2 arcanas, hats, 1 rework and TI.
                      Lazyness. Not to mention the lack of bugfixes, and the amount of new ones with each new content added


                      Credits to Phoenix.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Legion Commander View Post
                        Anti-Mage did not kill the Dead God in the bio, so ye ...
                        My 2nd bad, here you go:

                        In his encounter with the Dead Gods, Anti-Mage learned the value of being elusive.
                        The Blink skills lore explanation. It says gods, so there are many gods. YEEY finally i'm right in a discussion in this forum...

                        Anyway i never read Anti-MAge's bio fully. But I always read the skills lore explanation in pre-game. It says like he slayed them.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by torgonudho View Post
                          My 2nd bad, here you go:

                          In his encounter with the Dead Gods, Anti-Mage learned the value of being elusive.
                          The Blink skills lore explanation. It says gods, so there are many gods. YEEY finally i'm right in a discussion in this forum...

                          Anyway i never read Anti-MAge's bio fully. But I always read the skills lore explanation in pre-game. It says like he slayed them.
                          That's the only time that the Dead God is mentioned as Gods, I guess that's a mere typo, but who knows.

                          There is however not a single mention of AM killing Dead Gods or God, and his encounter with him/them doesn't prove that he did kill him/them.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by torgonudho View Post
                            My 2nd bad, here you go:

                            In his encounter with the Dead Gods, Anti-Mage learned the value of being elusive.
                            The Blink skills lore explanation. It says gods, so there are many gods. YEEY finally i'm right in a discussion in this forum...
                            A skill description vs bio, bio wins.

                            Originally posted by torgonudho View Post
                            Anyway i never read Anti-MAge's bio fully. But I always read the skills lore explanation in pre-game. It says like he slayed them.
                            As i said earlier, show the source please.

                            Originally posted by Phoenix.
                            2013: 10 heroes, 3 reworks, 4 events, hats, 1 arcana and TI
                            2014: 4 heroes, 2 events, 2 arcanas, hats, 1 rework and TI.
                            Lazyness. Not to mention the lack of bugfixes, and the amount of new ones with each new content added


                            Credits to Phoenix.

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                            • #74
                              There is only one Dead God, it is mentioned numerous times in Undying's lore as well.
                              One Dead God.
                              The Dead God was not slain by Anti-Mage and the God seems fairly safe behind its legions of undead.

                              Anti-Mage is not a very powerful hero. Hec can drain people's mana and swmake their minds implode or something, but his best strength is simply being more resistant to magic than others.
                              Last edited by Nemzal; 04-23-2014, 08:39 AM.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Keowee View Post
                                Right-clicks. Silent, deadly right-clicks of a 6-slotted carry. Also Global is dispelled by BKB (I know it kinda deviates from the "lorewise" requirement, but the point is being silenced is not a big deal even if we look at lore).
                                Originally posted by Shadrone View Post
                                Can rip you to shreds with dreadful bear claws, worsen your wounds with Netherdrake toxins, riddle you with bullets, stab with arrows, smash you with a hamma', slice you to little tiny bite-sized pieces with a sword, cave your head in with a lantern...

                                ...need I continue?
                                Ahh I thought this was lore wise?

                                If that's the case, Faceless Void defeats all, he's the ultimate carry, 1on1 hero, pit him against anyone and he'll kill every last one. Chronosphere, that's 6 seconds disable, with double damage on time lock, with the right items, no one can stop him.

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