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  • Phantom Lancer is quite obviously Polish.

    Get it? Eh? Eh?

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    • Icy what you did there. But that doesn't count; that's also the reason why I'm not listing Bloodseeker under Languages even though he does speak in a language that isn't English.

      Added a couple of things, most notably Warlock and his golems to Demons. That should have been obvious...
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      • I'm wondering about Elementals and Fundamentals. What makes them different from each other?

        We can have Elemental that represent metaphysical things like Fear => Chaos Elemental is possible => we can cross out the possibility that Fundamental can represent what Elemental can't.

        Or Fundamentals are the starting point of everything in this universe? Then, what are Elementals? Are they the Fundamentals' creation or they were accidentally created from the nature itself?

        BTW, buggy line:
        - A projection from outside time. It doesn't really clarify where he is from - in fact, he's from before the unvierse was created.
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        • Quite probably, the biggest difference that I can see is that a Fundamental originally belongs to a given plane; while Elementals may spawn wherever they happen to.
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          • Originally posted by 1337_n00b View Post
            Quite probably, the biggest difference that I can see is that a Fundamental originally belongs to a given plane; while Elementals may spawn whenever they happen to.
            Good point.

            I really think that the Elementals just not spawn randomly without reason. At this moment, the only Elemental that we have a clue on is Bane. He was spawned from a nightmare, the terror that was too horrible to be contained in a sleep. However, Nyctasha herself is the goddess of nightmare, why did her power backfire her?

            Oh, I forgot that Sand King was made artificially, and Earthshaker himself de-attached with the earth to move around.
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            • Not really the goddess of nightmares, that was just one of her powers. She was most likely handling all sleep-related things. And, with them gods... You'll never know how they work. Though the reason why did was she having those nightmares in the first place is still an open question.
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              • Originally posted by ShadowThanatos View Post
                I'm wondering about Elementals and Fundamentals. What makes them different from each other?

                We can have Elemental that represent metaphysical things like Fear => Chaos Elemental is possible => we can cross out the possibility that Fundamental can represent what Elemental can't.

                Or Fundamentals are the starting point of everything in this universe?
                the fundamentals are by definition a starting point of everything which begs question of how he could possibly be on the same power level as the other heroes.

                maybe he's not the entirety of chaos but some kind of a fraction/avatar that divided from the primal force. the other option would seem to be that chaos and light leaving their original position was some kind of a beginning of the universe. possible explanation for CK not being ridiculously powerful would be that he's limited by or a manifestation of the relative chaos in the universe: "drawing strength from the disorder of the universe."

                as order "the light" would make way to chaos in the world the chaos knight would become stronger and a literal bringer of armageddon. the keeper of the light and chaos knight would be the avatars of a far greater force than the dire or the radiant fighting for control of dota's universe through the conflict created by the ancients.

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                • Originally posted by doomsheep View Post
                  the fundamentals are by definition a starting point of everything which begs question of how he could possibly be on the same power level as the other heroes.

                  maybe he's not the entirety of chaos but some kind of a fraction/avatar that divided from the primal force. the other option would seem to be that chaos and light leaving their original position was some kind of a beginning of the universe. possible explanation for CK not being ridiculously powerful would be that he's limited by or a manifestation of the relative chaos in the universe: "drawing strength from the disorder of the universe."

                  as order "the light" would make way to chaos in the world the chaos knight would become stronger and a literal bringer of armageddon. the keeper of the light and chaos knight would be the avatars of a far greater force than the dire or the radiant fighting for control of dota's universe through the conflict created by the ancients.
                  I think that both Chaos and Light are the starting point of the universe. The reason why Chaos is not god-like strong is because he draws the power from the disorder of the universe like you said. The Light will definitely not drawing the power of the light in the universe, but the order of the universe (oppose to Chaos's). As the first one creates more chaos, the second one creates more orders. Somehow, these 2 aspects balance each other out => preventing either sides to reach their full potential, just like the Nemesis stones.
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                  • Looking at CK's Lore, Fundamentals are like anthropomorphized "rules" in the universe. So while "the Light" is called, well, "the Light", he isn't the personification of the element of Light. That's just a "name" he gave himself. He's a "law", like Nessaj, but we don't know what. Maybe "Order"? That seems to be what everyone here thinks.

                    So, considering CK is a personification of a law of the universe, maybe the fact that he isn't completely overpowered compared to the other heroes in Dota's world is because of a "law" as well?

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                    • Since The Light is in Dota universe. I wouldn't be surprised if The Omniscience is actually The Light.
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                      • Seems like it, considering CK's voice lines. Since the Light is apparently propagating himself throughout each plane, the Omniscience could be one of the names the Light has taken up.

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                        • Yeah, aside from that Chaos Knight mostly refers to the Keeper of the Light. As in Ezalor. As in not Omniknight. If anything, Omnsicience might have just taken up after The Light, not more. Or else KotL would pretty much have to be the Omniscience, which doesn't feel right for me.
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                          • The way I see it, Ezalor could be the 'main' body, the one originating from the Fundamentals' realm, while the Omniscience would just be a 'copy'. The Keeper of The Light would be spreading his 'light' wherever he went that way.

                            'Cause it seems like, when Nessaj kills Ezalor, his rivalry lines make it seem as if it was the 'first time' he had done so. Which means that the 'sources' of the Light in the other planes must not be KotL, if that's true.

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                            • Yeah, that'd make sense. In fact, throwing the Omniscience aside, that's right, Ezalor was, in fact, more likely the reciever of The Light in this plane. Therefore it's this particular one Chaos Knight has to pursue. In fact, that would imply that Keeper of the Light is a title that is taken by those who carry the source of The Light for their respective planes.

                              Which makes my spelling of KotL as KotL incorrect, it actually being KoTL now.
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                              • Hmm, this is interesting since 1 of Nessaj's line:
                                Omni Knight, my second most hunted prey.
                                Would make sense if The Light is The Omniscience. However, another line:
                                Where is your Omniscient One now?
                                It sounds like CK knows that the Omniscience is not The Light.

                                Or

                                The Omniscience and The Light are related.

                                Or

                                Ezalor is Omni's mentor. Assume that Ezalor began spreading The Light in this plane through religion. He didn't call the "god" of this religion as "The Light" but "The Omniscience" instead. Omni could be one of the first follower? The way CK said "The Omniscient One" is just to mock Omni?
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