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Legion Commander's Valve concept lore

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  • #31
    Originally posted by SoJa View Post
    How's that a big difference? Legion Commander is still "an armored human that duels with someone", please do tell how changing gender changes that concept drastically.
    "I'm a strong independent women, that's why I call you to a duell!... *squeek* AHH a mouse!!"

    "You ugly subhuman trash, you think you're worth something? Well I give you a chance to prove yourself."

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Tyneic View Post
      "I'm a strong independent women, that's why I call you to a duell!... *squeek* AHH a mouse!!"

      "You ugly subhuman trash, you think you're worth something? Well I give you a chance to prove yourself."
      I think your sexism is showing there.

      From what we know of her lore, there's nothing implying that she's as dainty as you'd imply. You can express your displeasure about the change without resorting to sexist stereotypes.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by AirBear View Post
        I think your sexism is showing there.

        From what we know of her lore, there's nothing implying that she's as dainty as you'd imply. You can express your displeasure about the change without resorting to sexist stereotypes.
        I wouldn't be surprised if a feminist is the one who changed legion commander's gender.

        Resort to the same old boring rhetoric about sexism and stereotypes.

        Changing things for the sole purpose of satisfying this agenda is called pandering.

        It is insulting to have a hero revamped just to satisfy one interest group.
        Over 300 major bugs. The Ancient BD 'feature.' Mute System: win rate directly correlated to amount of muted players on each team.
        Developers have no backbone or heart, consistently browse threads about controversial topics awaiting a developer reply, never answer.
        It couldn't get any worse. Valve should be given the benefit of a doubt?
        I was wrong. Quickcast.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Hyperion1O1 View Post
          Btw Talron, why don't you use your Joker sig here?
          it really doesnt look half as good on a white background. ive tested it out before
          ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your hype ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ

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          • #35
            I'd rather have her promote gender equality by having lines somewhat like these:

            "I'm not a woman here, I am a soldier!" kinda responses.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Hyperion1O1 View Post
              I'd rather have her promote gender equality by having lines somewhat like these:

              "I'm not a woman here, I am a soldier!" kinda responses.
              Those are just as bad.

              NOBODY ASKED IF YOU ARE A GIRL AND NOBODY CARES.

              https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/611932

              Just the same.

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              • #37
                Batrider and Ezalor disagrees with their responses. Ezalor mostly because he's a foxy grandpa. Some heroes care about gender, those two are what I remember the most. Doesn't really hurt for LC if she acts like a man XD

                Oh yeah, WR's response "You hit a girl.."

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Tyneic View Post
                  "I'm a strong independent women, that's why I call you to a duell!... *squeek* AHH a mouse!!"

                  "You ugly subhuman trash, you think you're worth something? Well I give you a chance to prove yourself."
                  Well that's not sexist at all... Being a woman doesn't stop you from knowing how to fight. There are quite a few women that could probably beat up most people visiting this forum. There are lots of women who could beat YOU up in all likelihood. And though I don't know anything about your physical capabilities, I'm pretty sure I know some of them.

                  You may not like the change, it's your opinion. But don't pretend that all women are frail and weak, you just sound foolish. Also, her lore never mentioned her being a woman ONCE, so LC has nothing to do with the point of the video you linked.
                  Everyone has a story.

                  For a list of all fan lores of unreleased heroes, http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=37955.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Vincitatus View Post
                    Well that's not sexist at all... Being a woman doesn't stop you from knowing how to fight. There are quite a few women that could probably beat up most people visiting this forum. There are lots of women who could beat YOU up in all likelihood. And though I don't know anything about your physical capabilities, I'm pretty sure I know some of them.

                    You may not like the change, it's your opinion. But don't pretend that all women are frail and weak, you just sound foolish. Also, her lore never mentioned her being a woman ONCE, so LC has nothing to do with the point of the video you linked.
                    They didn't give her any reasons to fight and made her a women, for no apparent reason.
                    And making this hero a women is just for fullfilling even more of those sexual irritated 14 year old kid phantasies than earlier. The phantasies of those people I and probably most of the other DotA players don't want to have in a game.

                    And that's not sexism, that's how 90% of all people want to see women on the internet.

                    Guess why LoL is so popular? It's easy and sex sales.

                    Guess why Tresdin is becoming a women, the one with the shitlore?
                    Because Valve thinks a women fits his character better?
                    Or because items for female heroes, especially human females sell better?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Tyneic View Post
                      They didn't give her any reasons to fight and made her a women, for no apparent reason.
                      And making this hero a women is just for fullfilling even more of those sexual irritated 14 year old kid phantasies than earlier. The phantasies of those people I and probably most of the other DotA players don't want to have in a game.

                      And that's not sexism, that's how 90% of all people want to see women on the internet.

                      Guess why LoL is so popular? It's easy and sex sales.

                      Guess why Tresdin is becoming a women, the one with the shitlore?
                      Because Valve thinks a women fits his character better?
                      Or because items for female heroes, especially human females sell better?
                      Those are actually fair concerns, I wouldn't want Tresdin to become a woman just because "sex sells". However, I don't think that is what they are doing here. Valve probably thought it would be a good idea, among all the male strong arms, to have at least one female imposing warrior, for variety if nothing else. On the concept art, she is in full battle armor, hardly a particularly titillating representation of a woman. If they made her a overtly sexual character, I would be worried, but from what we've seen so far, I doubt it.
                      Also, Legion Commander was created in Dota when they already were working on Dota2, is it not possible that they planned from the get-go to make her the "Female strength hero" representative, but used a male model in Dota1 because there wasn't a fitting model? (That last part is pure extrapolation)
                      Last edited by Vincitatus; 03-21-2013, 06:16 AM.
                      Everyone has a story.

                      For a list of all fan lores of unreleased heroes, http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=37955.

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                      • #41
                        If Valve really wanted to do that, they could have, you know, made QoP sexier since it still fits her theme but they didn't cause they didn't care about stuff like that.

                        Just saying.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Hyperion1O1 View Post
                          If Valve really wanted to do that, they could have, you know, made QoP sexier since it still fits her theme but they didn't cause they didn't care about stuff like that.

                          Just saying.
                          you think so, huh?

                          https://www.google.de/search?q=queen...LdHesgbN6oD4BQ

                          And I don't say they're going to completly sexualize Tresdin, but they're only making him a shemale because female characters sell better. (80% of all female characters have items while they make about 50% of the merchandise)

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                          • #43
                            She's still a succubus so it'd make sense if she was a bit more vulgar. She's still not in the "sex sells" category.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Hyperion1O1 View Post
                              She's still a succubus so it'd make sense if she was a bit more vulgar. She's still not in the "sex sells" category.
                              You're just beeing delusional right now.

                              http://shurima.net/assets/images/champions/Sona_1.jpg

                              This is sex sells, but

                              http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/20...ka-d4mibpy.jpg

                              this is not?

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                              • #45
                                Doesn't your argument kind of fall apart at the fact that QoP, the most sexualised character in the game, has zero cosmetics? Or that half of the females with cosmetics aren't at all attractive, like Mort or Brood? What about Luna not having a thing, or Mirana and Enchant only being very recent additions?

                                Mort is an excellent example of the kind of aesthetic Valve is shooting for. Yes, she's a girl, but she's also armoured the fuck up and more than happy to slice your gut open.

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