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[Game mode] blind pick

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  • [Game mode] blind pick

    With the enhanced level of competitiveness in AP, and people scolding you for your picks even though it's AP and not CM, a time has come for a well-organized BP mode that would remove or replace AP as the default game mode. There are few ways we can do this, and the choise is yours.

    A: The LoL formula. Teammates can pick same heroes, but team can see what heroes you take.
    - Could solve the biggest and most unbalanced problem in AP pubs, wich is un-organized counter-picking. Let's face it, AP is never meant for counterpicking anyway, and it never was a big problem in WC3 DotA, but now with MMR and all, people are suddenly playing AP on a very competitive level, creating the need for a counterpicking-free blind pick mode.
    B: The universal formula. It's a bit better but more complicated system to make. Essentially in the options you could select 10 heroes in a preference order, if 1. is taken you will pick 2, etc.
    - While it does have it's problems, it avoids the problems of duplicate heroes in the aforementioned LoL mode, and it removes teammates scolding you for picking what you actually want in an AP mode. While I said this CAN lead to a more chaotic team, it's only CAN becouse most likely in pubs people are gonna pick the heroes they want anyway. Mostly it would just reduce or remove the inneccessant rage wich would occur when people in team don't pick "supports" or any other "heroes that they want," wich was recognized as a problem that Valve tried to solve that earlier with the mute system.
    Last edited by Kaiverrettu; 08-15-2013, 09:34 AM.

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    No, picking and counter picking is part of the game.

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    • #3
      Removing AP is silly, let the unwashed masses have their plebeian game mode.

      That said I'd be all for adding blind pick.

      edit: What I'd really like as an alternative to allpick, though, is alternating pick. The worst part of AP right now is the game of "chicken" as people wait until the last second to pick heroes.
      Last edited by func_door; 08-15-2013, 09:26 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Noo View Post
        No, picking and counter picking is part of the game.
        I see you don't understand, so look at it this way. Team A has 5 players that DON'T wait just to counterpick, and team B has 2-3 smart players who wait JUST to counterpick, if even more. Becouse there are no set rules, it is possible to create a completely overwhelm the other team who is not prepared to counterpick with counterpicks. What's more, unlike in CM, there are no things like picking order, bans and for the last pick choosing the side of map you wish to play on. All of things are huge and contribute further towards the imbalance of counterpicking in AP pubs.

        For counterpicking to work, there would need to be an established picking order and preferally, also bans to counter certain strats. This then would make AP nothing short of a CM mode, wich already exists, so this would not really be a valid option either. The only option then would be to remove AP wich now has become nothing but a strain and toxic towards the general public gaming as of late.
        Last edited by Kaiverrettu; 12-15-2013, 06:22 PM.

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        • #5
          Or you simply accept that people want AP. You've tried this before if I remember correctly and you got the same responses. AP will stay, deal with it.
          If you think I've closed or deleted a post unjustified, feel free to PM me and I'll explain it to you/discuss it with you further.

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          • #6
            I wish we could have just discussed the main idea put forward, without the ridiculous rider of "remove the most popular pick mode"

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Noo View Post
              No, picking and counter picking is part of the game.
              yep, and it is called a CAPTAINS MODE

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cordwainer View Post
                yep, and it is called a CAPTAINS MODE
                actually it's in a lot of pick modes. Basically all of them...

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                • #9
                  blind pick is useless, it will only create more unbalanced games and complains about one sided games since you cant counter pick, but ppl will blame MM.
                  Read this if you want to know why so many games is very one sided: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?...l=1#post436467

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                  • #10
                    first we need a HARD TIME DEADLINE for picks and after that forced random with no bonus gold

                    pick at 00:02 game time and pauses for late picks is just not fair game

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                    • #11
                      if you don't want the enemy team to know what are you picking you mark it on black and you pick at minus 00:30

                      either way the counterpick part is HUGE in AP and I use it ALL THE TIME, if you don't use it the ap is kinda broken

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                      • #12
                        i'm quite sure you already requested removing/replacing ap in another of your threads.

                        i'm just gonna give you the same answer once again: not gonna happen!

                        why not? cuz its the most popular and most simple and most favored mode. just because YOU don't like it doesnt mean OTHER players don't like it.

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                        • #13
                          You can't have BP mode in Dota because only 1 of each hero can exist. BP mode would be like LoL where both teams can be composed of the same champions. So even if there was a blind pick mode in current state of Dota, you'd know who the other team was picking when the hero you wanted became unavailable.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by deejaybos View Post
                            You can't have BP mode in Dota because only 1 of each hero can exist. BP mode would be like LoL where both teams can be composed of the same champions. So even if there was a blind pick mode in current state of Dota, you'd know who the other team was picking when the hero you wanted became unavailable.
                            not that I think blind pick is a super-great idea, but duplicate heroes is possible in Dota 2.

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                            • #15
                              add a 1pick1ban to AP so u will have 10 bans (1 for each) and 10 picks obv.

                              Blind pick means you can have mirror lanes and heroes and that is kinda shaggy and doesnt fit dota balance.

                              The problem is rather that you are kinda forced to play AP unless you wanna wait 50 minutes for a game where 9/10 accept. (hail legendary one)
                              All the bobs are playing AP to either pick their 50gamesinarow hero like tinker or just ppl who go counterpick ur whole lineup to a perfect extent. (the people who would sell their family for a win)

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