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  • Originally posted by erik-the-red View Post
    I am criticizing you for not realizing how stupid it is to ask me to refute a point that I agree with. You didn't even THINK whether it makes any sense at all to ask that. And then you claim that I "contradicted" myself and that this led to your "misunderstanding."

    You made a dumb request. It happens. We all do stupid shit. Have the decency to admit that you made a dumb request.
    You wanted from me to list the arguments you haven't refuted.
    Before that I said:
    - I don't know what your point is. I've said multiple times that the current system is not flawless. But apparently arguing with valid arguments that weren't properly refuted means I'm being close minded.
    - I've said that I would support the idea if it works. But the current idea (with its "improvements") isn't an idea I could support.
    So you're actually trying to argue that short punishments are a good thing in DotA 2 because they deter people from smurfing?
    Don't you agree? If you were put into LPQ for 1 game would you make a new account? Now if you were put into LPQ for 100 games what now? A community moderated punishment system means there will be longer punishment.

    I take responsibility when I don't express myself clearly. I take no responsibility if you choose to deliberately misread what I wrote. I never said, "let's do a carbon copy of Tribunal." If you think "We need a player review system like Overwatch for DotA 2" means "let's copy Tribunal 100%," then you need to learn how to read better.

    As for starting a project, we can definitely START with Tribunal or Overwatch and then we can make CHANGES to punishment length, making parts of team chat available, etc. DotA 2 isn't pay-to-play like CS:GO, and it isn't pay-to-unlock like League. Of course a 100% copy won't work. I'm happy to talk about what changes need to be made for the system to work.
    I didn't say you want a carbon copy. That's what you have been saying twice. Then start with the changes now because that's what I asked for when I said proposing your system properly.
    I've said before I am open for the idea of a community moderated punishment system. I've also said I'm asking for a more fleshed out idea which you then responded I wasn't (?). Later you didn't quote me about it again so I thought it was solved.

    Maybe you notice a pattern here.
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    * 25.02.16 - † 26.02.16
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    • Originally posted by crowblade View Post
      Do you have a lot of hot female gifs on your PC which you fap to? Provide them or gay.
      lol wut. Why would i have a collection of gifs of hot girls in my PC?


      When the whole internet can store it for you huehuehuehue



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      • Originally posted by GermanViet View Post
        You wanted from me to list the arguments you haven't refuted.
        Yes, and I thought it was obvious that you weren't going to ask me to refute something that I agree with. Do you still not realize how dumb it is to basically say "you agree with me; why aren't you disagreeing with me?"

        Don't you agree? If you were put into LPQ for 1 game would you make a new account? Now if you were put into LPQ for 100 games what now? A community moderated punishment system means there will be longer punishment.
        I absolutely agree that if the punishment were 1 LPQ game, I wouldn't bother to create a new account, but that if it were 100, I would. Now let me ask you the flip side of your question: if the punishment is 1 LPQ game, are assholes going to reform their behavior?

        I didn't say you want a carbon copy. That's what you have been saying twice.
        Your words: "I'm not going to support the Tribunal and punishment nature I know from LoL." You're implying that I am supporting "Tribunal and punishment nature...from LoL" (i.e. a carbon copy). Own your words or clarify them.

        Then start with the changes now because that's what I asked for when I said proposing your system properly.
        We've already discussed some of them. In Tribunal, you read from a chat log. In DotA 2, we can ask reviewers to watch specific parts of replays.
        We need a player review system like Overwatch for DotA 2. Get real people to judge communication abuse, intentional skill abuse, and intentional feeding.



        merci fenix

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        • Originally posted by erik-the-red View Post
          Yes, and I thought it was obvious that you weren't going to ask me to refute something that I agree with. Do you still not realize how dumb it is to basically say "you agree with me; why aren't you disagreeing with me?"
          "Which of your arguments have I not refuted?"
          So if you say this I cannot list the arguments which you haven't refuted.

          This is dumb. You thought wrong. It wasn't obvious that I shouldn't have listed those arguments again.

          I absolutely agree that if the punishment were 1 LPQ game, I wouldn't bother to create a new account, but that if it were 100, I would. Now let me ask you the flip side of your question: if the punishment is 1 LPQ game, are assholes going to reform their behavior?
          The current scenario is 5 LPQ games (used to be 16 LPQ games). I can imagine it gets annoying if you get repeatedly placed in that pool. They have to reform if they want to avoid that pool.

          Your words: "I'm not going to support the Tribunal and punishment nature I know from LoL." You're implying that I am supporting "Tribunal and punishment nature...from LoL" (i.e. a carbon copy). Own your words or clarify them.
          That's what I mean with putting words into my mouth. That's your interpretation. I didn't imply that you want a carbon copy. You want me to clarify but when it's you you don't need to be clear?
          I've said before I want a more fleshed out idea. You were the one who said I'm "not asking for a more fleshed out idea." After that I made the post that contained: "I'm not going to support the Tribunal and punishment nature I know from LoL."

          We've already discussed some of them. In Tribunal, you read from a chat log. In DotA 2, we can ask reviewers to watch specific parts of replays.
          That's something you already said.
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          * 25.02.16 - † 26.02.16
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          • No Patch today?

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            • Originally posted by Legion Commander View Post
              someone watched frozen recently


              and post some more of them grills its that time again
              Minecraft >>> dota 2

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              • Alright, maphack = rekt.
                -Player camera positions are now only networked to spectators
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                • Originally posted by <>< View Post
                  Alright, maphack = rekt.
                  -Player camera positions are now only networked to spectators
                  They fixed it in Source 1 before. Reborn re-introduced it. x)
                  James "2GD" Harding's career as a Dota 2 host on Valve events
                  * 25.02.16 - † 26.02.16
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                  • Originally posted by GermanViet View Post
                    They fixed it in Source 1 before. Reborn re-introduced it. x)
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                    • Originally posted by GermanViet View Post
                      "Which of your arguments have I not refuted?"
                      So if you say this I cannot list the arguments which you haven't refuted.

                      This is dumb. You thought wrong. It wasn't obvious that I shouldn't have listed those arguments again.
                      Wow, so you really don't see what's wrong with asking me to refute a point that I agree with. OK, now I know not to assume that you have basic intelligence. My apologies for thinking that you would be smart enough to know how stupid it is to ask someone who has just said that he agrees with you "why aren't you disagreeing with me?"

                      The current scenario is 5 LPQ games (used to be 16 LPQ games). I can imagine it gets annoying if you get repeatedly placed in that pool. They have to reform if they want to avoid that pool.
                      I can't remember the last time I played a game in LPQ. It's not at all obvious that it gets annoying. You remember what Puppey said just two months ago?

                      That's what I mean with putting words into my mouth. That's your interpretation. I didn't imply that you want a carbon copy. You want me to clarify but when it's you you don't need to be clear?
                      I've said before I want a more fleshed out idea. You were the one who said I'm "not asking for a more fleshed out idea." After that I made the post that contained: "I'm not going to support the Tribunal and punishment nature I know from LoL."
                      OK, so you aren't implying that I want a carbon copy of Tribunal, but you tell me that when you read my signature, your first reaction is, "Tribunal can be summed up exactly like that." And of course, by quoting you directly, I am putting words into your mouth. Obviously.

                      That's something you already said.
                      Thank you for admitting that I have been discussing changes.
                      We need a player review system like Overwatch for DotA 2. Get real people to judge communication abuse, intentional skill abuse, and intentional feeding.



                      merci fenix

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                      • Originally posted by fine93 View Post
                        someone watched frozen recently


                        Originally posted by fine93 View Post
                        and post some more of them grills its that time again


                        Koopa
                        Last edited by Legion Commander; 10-27-2015, 03:02 PM.

                        Originally posted by Phoenix.
                        2013: 10 heroes, 3 reworks, 4 events, hats, 1 arcana and TI
                        2014: 4 heroes, 2 events, 2 arcanas, hats, 1 rework and TI.
                        Lazyness. Not to mention the lack of bugfixes, and the amount of new ones with each new content added


                        Credits to Phoenix.

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                        • Is that you LC?
                          Originally posted by katsaroulhs
                          Also, I am laughing so hard because you people actually expected smth better from Valve. Some of you have been here for years. Some of us have been here from the beta, watching this mess of a game getting developed. And you STILL are surprised when you are fed shit. [...]

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                          • Originally posted by Phoenix. View Post
                            lol wut. Why would i have a collection of gifs of hot girls in my PC?


                            When the whole internet can store it for you huehuehuehue



                            The Internet is for porn anyway.

                            .......

                            Or discussions that dont come to an end...

                            Originally posted by katsaroulhs
                            Also, I am laughing so hard because you people actually expected smth better from Valve. Some of you have been here for years. Some of us have been here from the beta, watching this mess of a game getting developed. And you STILL are surprised when you are fed shit. [...]

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                            • Originally posted by erik-the-red View Post
                              Wow, so you really don't see what's wrong with asking me to refute a point that I agree with. OK, now I know not to assume that you have basic intelligence. My apologies for thinking that you would be smart enough to know how stupid it is to ask someone who has just said that he agrees with you "why aren't you disagreeing with me?"
                              OK, so you aren't implying that I want a carbon copy of Tribunal, but you tell me that when you read my signature, your first reaction is, "Tribunal can be summed up exactly like that." And of course, by quoting you directly, I am putting words into your mouth. Obviously.
                              You said I implied this and that. That's not something I directly said. Your problem is your are interpreting too much and then you say outright I said this and that. You want me to interpret that I didn't need to request you to refute this and that.
                              Do you see the hypocrisy in this?

                              You interpret my words so that it fits your arguments. While I quote you completely and leave my comment to it. Occasionally you don't quote everything but I take it as you agree with me. At least I don't demand here you to apologize like you did. Your overall posting tone has been condescending with insults mixed into it.

                              I can't remember the last time I played a game in LPQ. It's not at all obvious that it gets annoying. You remember what Puppey said just two months ago?
                              I agree with him. The current report system is too lenient. It is quite hard to get into LPQ by gathering reports. Almost everyone who comes here complaining about the report system and I get access to their dotabuff account I can show them being toxic. Example. Making higher punishment is possible in both punishment system. Valve has however shown that they are trying to reduce the penalty. (From 16 to 5 games.) They could make it easier to visit LPQ again. People who have visited LPQ recently are more likely to visit LPQ again. However a community-reviewed system has a big delay in handing out punishments.

                              People who get out of LPQ can always grief in both systems.

                              Thank you for admitting that I have been discussing changes.
                              Thank you for starting fleshing out your idea like I demanded multiple times. Thank you for not pointing towards your signature. /s
                              But it is still not fleshed out.
                              I have a good idea how Overwatch roughly works in which you usually analyze the replay.

                              There are pro and cons of automated system and community moderated system. You previously already acknowledged the flaws of a community moderated system (see "refuted arguments you agreed with"). How are you going to punish? Before after? How timely is it?
                              It will have advantages and disadvantages to the current system. Why would your system be better. Are the disadvantages neglectable when compared to the advantages?

                              I'm going to sleep now. So feel free to start a new thread with your idea.
                              James "2GD" Harding's career as a Dota 2 host on Valve events
                              * 25.02.16 - † 26.02.16
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                              • Shit he is going to sleep? I missed the fun. Gonna read the posts for teh lulz.
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