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  • All draft

    Probably someone suggested it in the past, so here it is again, the bad about all pick is that everyone is w8ing for the others to counterpick - picking is too chaotic, the bad about random draft is you cant pick hero u want if it is not there, so why dont make best of both worlds? All draft. ty
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    Yes. I think it should be changed.
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    28
    No. All Pick is fine the way it is.
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    you can ban me for telling the truth, but rely i will be back

  • #2
    will you still receive bonus gold for randoming? will you be able to random?
    but who am i to speak, i never play AP.

    i am against a big list of drafting modes, as that can spread the community, thus increase wait time for a match.

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    • #3
      Counterpicking is part and parcel of AP tryharding. The good news is that a large number of tryhard counterpickers either counterpick blindly and end up with shitty lane compositions, or suck with the counterpicked hero. It's not that bad, unless you're playing meepo and the opponent team counterpicks lina, lion and the demolishing king.

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      • #4
        Isn't this the same as all pick? OP clarify please. What is the difference?
        Spoiler: 
        I guard the rear.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Assguard View Post
          Isn't this the same as all pick? OP clarify please. What is the difference?
          Picking in a fixed order (like CM) but without a captain, meaning everyone picks his or her hero in a fixed order. LoL does it (including bans) for normal MM afaik.
          If you think I've closed or deleted a post unjustified, feel free to PM me and I'll explain it to you/discuss it with you further.

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          • #6
            yes picking in the fixed order like in random draft but with entire hero pool, in all draft i dont see any problem of randoming a hero if u want to
            you can ban me for telling the truth, but rely i will be back

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            • #7
              +1

              IMO, if there were only 1 game mode in all of DotA, it should be this. It just makes the most sense.

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              • #8
                This is okay i guess, it would help many of the problems AP has.
                Spoiler: 
                I guard the rear.

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                • #9
                  +1
                  And make sure that if you run out of time and are forced to random, you DONT get random gold.

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                  • #10
                    Replace All Pick by Banning Pick in Ranked

                    Blue and Pink take turns banning a total of 6 heroes and then players alternate picking from the remaining hero pool.
                    Banning Pick is a game mode that was introduced by Heroes of Newerth, and then later adapted by League of Legends as the default game mode for Ranked Games.

                    All Pick in Ranked as it stands is a complete joke, players wait until the last minute to counterpick and no amount of forcing players to pick before the timer reaches 00:00 will fix that, heroes that are disabled in Captain's Mode can also be picked. There is a reason why League of Legends used Banning Pick rather than Blind Pick (Which is All Pick, except you cannot see the enemy team's picks, arguably better than All Pick as there is no counterpicking game).

                    Dota 2 is a game with more complex mechanics than League, and it should be reflected in the game modes available for Ranked Games. All Pick should be replaced with a proper mode that doesn't require one random pub player to make picks for everyone, but should also include bans as a way to filter out certain heroes depending on the trending meta (Or simply disable heroes that are not allowed in Captain's Mode, they do not belong in a competitive environment).

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                    • #11
                      Wouldn't giving a random hero with gold penalty and no swap options when timer reaches zero discourage last minute counterpicking? It also punishes last second pick by having the risk of the other team taking your pick before you do.

                      All pick is supposed to be a testing grounds of all the heroes and the best place to see the full potential of a hero is in competitive environment. The reason why some heroes are banned in -cm is because money is at stake compare to MMR in -ap.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GoldK View Post
                        Wouldn't giving a random hero with gold penalty and no swap options when timer reaches zero discourage last minute counterpicking? It also punishes last second pick by having the risk of the other team taking your pick before you do.

                        All pick is supposed to be a testing grounds of all the heroes and the best place to see the full potential of a hero is in competitive environment. The reason why some heroes are banned in -cm is because money is at stake compare to MMR in -ap.
                        People would probably either end up picking what they want, resulting in weird lineups, or be stuck randoming. Picking first in All Pick does not advantage you at all.

                        I think All Pick should be thrown out of Ranked. If you want to test builds/hero strategies, stack or do it in Normal Matchmaking.

                        Ranked should offer as much of a competitive experience as possible, All Pick just doesn't provide that experience because of points mentioned above. There is also no proper mode for Solo-Queue players. RD is just players rushing for the most powerful thing in the pool without any bans, and CM is just one random picking for everyone, leading to a lot of conflicts.

                        I'm not saying Dota should copy League, but it's really surprising that Valve would just copy paste the most played pub mode, and put it integrally into Ranked. Why not just show MMR for normal games then?
                        Last edited by Sefam; 12-21-2013, 10:59 PM.

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                        • #13
                          yes I'd also like such a mode. Btw I think it has a random button too if people don't care what they play
                          Originally posted by katsaroulhs
                          I see. You are on the reasons this game's community is considered "human waste".

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                          • #14
                            don't enjoy a certain mode? don't play it. don't ruin it for others.
                            big plays
                            i'm keeping the gif because it's so awful

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by loewen View Post
                              don't enjoy a certain mode? don't play it. don't ruin it for others.
                              And what is there to play for Solo-Queue players in Ranked?

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