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  • Random Hero in RMM

    So, when I read the article about RMM and all that shiny stuff that valve showed/promised us, I noticed one thing.
    That is, altough, AR is not in the selecteble pool of game modes you can still random in AP.

    Imo that is an issue!

    Why? The answer is simple: if that system matching together ppl of the (roughly) same elo (or rank.... or candys ) the player propably will choose a hero that is best suited to their gamestyles.
    WHen someone randoming however, it creates suboptimal situation within the team. Example: if someone (lets say, a player who usually play support) randoming a spectre, then I propably wont pick void, even if my win rate is 90% with him.

    Again, its my opinion, but I hope that I raised enugh ppl attention to this factor(problem:P).
    269
    Yes, remove it from Ranked or Unranked
    8.55%
    23
    Yes, but only remove it from Ranked
    46.84%
    126
    No, It should be in both game modes
    36.80%
    99
    Keep randoming, but remove bonus gold from ranked
    2.60%
    7
    Keep randoming, but remove bonus gold from both un- and ranked
    2.97%
    8
    No preference
    2.23%
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    Last edited by AzA [HUN]; 12-09-2013, 11:20 AM.

  • #2
    Don't play AP then.
    RIP Dota 2 Artstyle & Lore - Long live shitty cosmetics!

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    • #3
      Originally posted by <VeCo> View Post
      Don't play AP then.
      In that logic, if you have any problem with dota (even if it can be fixed) you doesnt have to play it:P

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      • #4
        AzA, you remembered me of GothicCream of how you write.

        Also, random mode is for fun, not for seriousness. No fun allowed in the RMM.


        Originally posted by Phoenix.
        2013: 10 heroes, 3 reworks, 4 events, hats, 1 arcana and TI
        2014: 4 heroes, 2 events, 2 arcanas, hats, 1 rework and TI.
        Lazyness. Not to mention the lack of bugfixes, and the amount of new ones with each new content added


        Credits to Phoenix.

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        • #5
          Umm, yeah... fun.....

          For fun, you can still play the current MM

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          • #6
            How about you wait until it's actually implemented to start complaining? Who knows, maybe since it is ranked, people will be less likely to random because they have an actual reason to play serious and win.
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            • #7
              I random all the time in pubs, but I will not random at ranked MM, I hope people will have more serious attitude to this games.

              Excuse me my english.

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              • #8
                I random. I can play every hero well except meepo mainly cause i dont like him and so never bothered. I random when nobody is picking but I'll repick if I get countered really hard. I don't see the problem. The extra gold isn't as amazing as it used to be, but it's still nice. And AR is far worse than AP. Even though I can play every hero, I won't play that mode because it screws up everyone elses skill level and can make some games unwinnable, and most games are stomps.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AzA [HUN] View Post
                  So, when I read the article about RMM and all that shiny stuff that valve showed/promised us, I noticed one thing.
                  That is, altough, AR is not in the selecteble pool of game modes you can still random in AP.

                  Imo that is an issue!

                  Why? The answer is simple: if that system matching together ppl of the (roughly) same elo (or rank.... or candys ) the player propably will choose a hero that is best suited to their gamestyles.
                  WHen someone randoming however, it creates suboptimal situation within the team. Example: if someone (lets say, a player who usually play support) randoming a spectre, then I propably wont pick void, even if my win rate is 90% with him.

                  Again, its my opinion, but I hope that I raised enugh ppl attention to this factor(problem:P).
                  Hm I think the main reason for that is that Valve supposes randoms in AP can still be compensated by other picks. You can swap or you can pick accordingly so the random isn't that much of a drawback. In your case, if a support player randoms Spectre and you are good with that hero then offer him a swap. I do that all the time when someone randoms a support I like or consider prone to feeding.

                  AR mode however can create entirely unbalanced matches based on RNG alone. If the enemy team gets PL, KotL, Magnus, WR and Enigma then you can be pretty sure your team consisting of Spectre, Anti-Mage, Meepo, Kunkka and Riki is officially fucked. As I personally don't believe the matchmaking can detect setup losses Valve probably takes the safe route by ignoring AR in RMM completely.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by WhaleRum View Post
                    How about you wait until it's actually implemented to start complaining? Who knows, maybe since it is ranked, people will be less likely to random because they have an actual reason to play serious and win.
                    Doubtful, people play for their own fun, and there is a variety and an ego factor in randoming, "I can win with anything"(or my team sucks).

                    I would say same amount of randoming if we would have all the modes, but no ar means ALL PICK won't live up to its title.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Xelfire View Post
                      I random. I can play every hero well except meepo mainly cause i don't like him and so never bothered. I random when nobody is picking but I'll repick if I get countered really hard. I don't see the problem. The extra gold isn't as amazing as it used to be, but it's still nice. And AR is far worse than AP. Even though I can play every hero, I won't play that mode because it screws up everyone elses skill level and can make some games unwinnable, and most games are stomps.
                      I also random in all pick... if they pick counter heroes for my random I just wait for them to enter game then I repick ) They have to play those heroes... while I can pick anything I want
                      This is how Dota2 games should look like! Game 1_Game 2_Game 3_Game 4_Game 5_Game 6

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                      • #12
                        It seems to me that everyone forgot about the other reason: the bonus gold.
                        Do you have a fair matchup when you are facing against a randomed OD? No! Or against a randomed support? No! Or against... well, anything? ....nope.
                        Why? Well, the game isnt started yet, but some player have a significant advantage already. Do you, think that is this fair?
                        Or lets see the other end: you cant play effectively. You have 2 choice: swap or repick. If you swap, look above .
                        If you repick, then grat, you just throwed 175 gold away. WTF?! I would report you anytime for throwing the game.
                        Okay, lets say that you are allowed to pick a random hero in RMM. Fine, you can have your "fun". But for God sake, remove that bonus gold! (only in Rmm).
                        If this happens, then Id say that randoming is absulutely fine.
                        But honestly: who would use that option? (remember, Iam talking about RMM only)
                        Last edited by AzA [HUN]; 12-10-2013, 06:53 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Pick nyx and the OD will cry for mama. You can always repick. But in all honesty i have no idea what allpick is doing in ranked mode.
                          Spoiler: 
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                          • #14
                            And I assume that, you can land nyx stun 8 out of 10 times. Get my drift?
                            Also, it seesms worth to mention: pls read the 1st post. Ty!
                            Oh, 1 more thingy: you play (with a lunatic smile on your face) rmm to pick a random hero there? If so, Iam curious; so pls tell me: why?
                            Last edited by AzA [HUN]; 12-10-2013, 07:02 AM.

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                            • #15
                              My opinion is the entire allpick mode shouldn't be on ranked mode. randoming as the first pick insn't a bad idea, you force people to counterpick your random and then you repick, it's up to you to decide if it's worth it or not. I don't think there's anything wrong with randoming, but AP does not belong in ranked.

                              Also if you're playing ranked, your mechanics should be strong enough that you can pretty much play any hero.
                              Last edited by Assguard; 12-10-2013, 07:06 AM.
                              Spoiler: 
                              I guard the rear.

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