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Intended ? Matching Solo Ranked players with party's ?

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  • Intended ? Matching Solo Ranked players with party's ?

    Ok what bothers me is that solo ranked players play their games vs party's ( stacks ) . Since Valve posted this
    "We actually track a total of four MMRs for each player:"

    Normal matchmaking, queuing solo
    Normal matchmaking, queuing with a party
    Ranked matchmaking, queuing solo
    Ranked matchmaking, queuing with a party

    Its easy to think that solo and party queuing will be separate ... So i gues this is not intended ..

    I would w8 before going to the ladder until we get a confirm or a fix ... The 10 games aren't so random .. and make a difference (from other games who use this method it can be a drastic difference )
    Last edited by MJK; 12-13-2013, 05:46 AM.
    I used to be a mannered player but then i took a CYKA to the knee ! ValveKnights the new name for Scrub..

  • #2
    I dont think its intended, not sure thought

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    • #3
      Please explain how a stack of 4 can play if not solo players is matchedin the same games?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mookie View Post
        Please explain how a stack of 4 can play if not solo players is matchedin the same games?
        normal queue?
        I feel like RANKED queue should have only 2 types of queue in it: 5man and solo
        2, 3, 4 stacks can really fuck up the overall MMR of a team, making unbalanced games.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mookie View Post
          Please explain how a stack of 4 can play if not solo players is matchedin the same games?
          2 ways that come to mind ..
          1st is not allow 4 stacking to ranked .. Allow only 3 stack and 2 stack and 5 stack so the system can pair 3stack with 2 stack to make a team on both sides ..
          2nd - Match 4 stacks vs 4 stacks and to each stack add 1 player . Both solo players must have the same MM rating .

          All so the 4 stack has nothing to do with players facing 5 man stacks when all of them are soloing ..


          EDIT : Why is this thread moved from the brain storming bug part .. If its not intended its a game bug that has ingame effects ( balance issues ) ...
          I used to be a mannered player but then i took a CYKA to the knee ! ValveKnights the new name for Scrub..

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mookie View Post
            Please explain how a stack of 4 can play if not solo players is matchedin the same games?
            Have you EVER played before the last patch? Many people simply didn't tick solo queue - these players also got matched into matches with a 4-man stack.
            I haven't played today but if solo queue got removed it's REALLY a step backwards.
            If you think I've closed or deleted a post unjustified, feel free to PM me and I'll explain it to you/discuss it with you further.

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            • #7
              yesterday i tried the ranked matchmaking.. and it was so try-hard.. but in the final result my team won, then i saw that my team was full of solo queuers and the other team was a 5man stack.. is this intended too ?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by horrowley View Post
                yesterday i tried the ranked matchmaking.. and it was so try-hard.. but in the final result my team won, then i saw that my team was full of solo queuers and the other team was a 5man stack.. is this intended too ?
                Thats is the idea of the thread ... To get the answer to "Is that intended" ... I realy hope some of the devs can give a answer to this question .. All so i asked some of the game testers and they have no idea if its intended as well .. For all we know it may be a "bug" or an intended part of Ranked MM ... For me untill proven other wise its a bug because stacking even with guys you dont know is still a decent advantage over the other team ( especially when we are talking about a ranked game where every one is trying hard )
                I used to be a mannered player but then i took a CYKA to the knee ! ValveKnights the new name for Scrub..

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                • #9
                  Wow, i would love to get matched with/against anything right now...

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                  • #10
                    the ability to queue solo is definitely not an option right now
                    ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your hype ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ

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                    • #11
                      Not sure if intended, I'll give it a few days to see if there's any change. Don't care about ratings, but stacks are unacceptable.
                      If only there was some official confirmation, so I can rm -rf and forget about it.

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                      • #12
                        remember that solo players are only compared to other solo players in their separate ranking!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kryil- View Post
                          Have you EVER played before the last patch? Many people simply didn't tick solo queue - these players also got matched into matches with a 4-man stack.
                          I haven't played today but if solo queue got removed it's REALLY a step backwards.
                          They think they made some magical formula accounting for how much mmr adjustment does parties worth based on historical data which is a good way to go about it, but parties lead to wider skillgaps and more language issues or one may simply dislike them and don't want to deal with them. Frankly this is an average and i didn't see a word about tracking how accustomed party members are with each other, strangers who just highfive and guys who plays together for years are the same, could have the same adjustment afaik.

                          Got to be said, since solo option was hidden in the language tab it never regained it's past prime, but it was an enjoyable option, even after that.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by nadaga View Post
                            They think they made some magical formula accounting for how much mmr adjustment does parties worth based on historical data which is a good way to go about it, but parties lead to wider skillgaps and more language issues or one may simply dislike them and don't want to deal with them. Frankly this is an average and i didn't see a word about tracking how accustomed party members are with each other, strangers who just highfive and guys who plays together for years are the same, could have the same adjustment afaik.

                            Got to be said, since solo option was hidden in the language tab it never regained it's past prime, but it was an enjoyable option, even after that.
                            Correct. Solo queue became worse when it was hidden, but it still was fine. Not only is it very hard to determine how much advantage the solo players need regarding MMR (5 man stack != 5 man stack), but it also removed the unfixable skillgaps from parties. Sad day.
                            If you think I've closed or deleted a post unjustified, feel free to PM me and I'll explain it to you/discuss it with you further.

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                            • #15
                              Well, have you read the entire matchmaking post? It's all explained there.

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