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  • Clear rank MMR for every season/version?

    It's weird if people don't play Dota for months (Because of RPG, work, other game, etc) and still keep the same MMR as before. He won't lost those points very fast because the other side may get the same problem.

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    • LIKES
      - I like the competitive aspect of Ranked matchmaking. People try to play more serious knowing they are losing/winning something in the end.
      -The newer system of losing gold to force picks works wonders to prevent people from constantly waiting for counterpicks.


      DISLIKES
      - I dislike that players who have not calibrated can join my games (3500-3700 MMR). Calibrating players should only fall into the lower average ranked bracket for TBD matches. I should not have to explain to a teammate how to buyback or how to drop an item. That's for lower brackets. 3500 is above average. New players should not be in these games. Get games like this out of my face where the Juggernaut said it was his first ranked game.

      -I dislike the unbalanced teams. I'm noticing it more and more in that games are very one sided, either I'm on a team of good players or a team of scrubs. I'm stomping or getting stomped. Its really bad. Please not only use MMR to determine team placements but the past 10-20 games as well. 5 players who have been on losing streaks should not be put together on the same team. Conversely 5 players on 10 game winning streaks should not be on the same team. Mix them up.

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      • LIKES

        - I like the fact that because MMR is irrelevant and only bad players care about it, I can join ranked to pwn players ranging from newbies to pro with ease (My brain activity is probably at 1% for those games)

        DISLIKES

        - Your MMR is individual but it isn't based on individual factors. This is the biggest problem with ranked matchmaking!

        - Because MMR is irrelevant and only bad players care about it, games usually turn into a noobfest where people only pick overpowered or imbalanced heroes. Rather than playing DotA the best way, i.e. going for a <25 min. win, they'll cry about no one picking a "carry" (incorrect use of this gaming terminology in ranked MM by 99% of players) and they'll report anyone who let's them know how weak their gameplay is.

        - The fact that the MMR exists, people use "2k trash", "3k trash", etc, to insult people. The reality is that people in all MMR ranges are bad at DotA. Having an MMR of 5-7K doesn't mean that you're better or worse than someone at 3K, but idiots will blindly assume it because they think MMR actually matters. This also happens when you're owning scrubs and then you end up losing the game because your own teammates didn't feel like pushing for many many minutes and then you let the enemy team know it was an undeserved win and they'll instantly spam "ez" or "2k trash" despite them being outclassed the entire game.

        - [EXTRA IMPORTANT] I highly dislike the fact that you're no able to BLACKLIST people from MM. I believe that when a player has been MUTED, you can no longer be put on his team again. This makes a lot of sense as communication is key in DotA, and most mutes are actually targeted at those who talk shit rather than those who simply suck at the game. Why the hell should you be put with someone who you don't wish to talk to due to them being abusive or annoying? I'd like an explanation from Valve how this makes sense. "Oh so you muted this guy but let's place him on your team effectively turning it into a 4v5 as he's not on your team as he's been muted by you".

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        • Inaccurate MMR

          the mmr system is broken. it does not reflect on the true skill of the person. while it is very difficult to improve it, one way to deal with this situation is to reset the mmr every 6 months because there might inactive players that come back from a hiatus and find that their mmr has been pushed down by the bell curve to the scrub hell hole. pls discuss

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          • DISLIKES:
            Every time i breach 3K rating i get my team full of 4 retards picking cores farming 200 gpm speed and feeding. every time. i play support only because my team always pick 3-4 core and support hero who does not support but rushes blinks and so on. Right after 3K border. I am around it for like my last 500 games. It really must be punishing if retards pick 4 core heroes and suck dicks so they get not -25 (so they on my next game again) but -200 for being mentally retarded.

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            • I'm very tired to playing with newbie people, the system doesn't work. It's impossible to play this way, it's not fun, and for making worse you only can report just 1 time for day, and get cancer in every game. I would prefer the system works in kill/death/assist stats.
              Now is imposible to play. I've been playing from dota 1, and really i prefer dota 1. I have a low mmr ranked and with a low lvl team is imposible to win. I really tried to make my mmr go higher but there is no way.
              The starting mmr calculation is wrong too. If you just have bad luck you get a low mmr and you can't escape from there. you win and you lose, no matter how many kills you have, how many gold you get, because the game is unbalanced too. Is make for 1 hard carry to win alone, if you don't pick carry and go support or tank you lose, no matter how many times you kill, no matter anything at all. Is not competitive.
              To make thing worse... the low mmr people make all the time new accounts and restart a cycle where you can't escape from them! So they don't go lower and lower, instead you try go up and find those again and get forced to go down. And keep doing that until you hate the game. there is not fun playing with people who don't know how to play, or that didin't help you at anything in the game. I'm not saying that i cannot tolerated 1 bad player on my team, but i really get angry when they'r 2 o 3 and you can't do anything agaist 4 o 5 enemies.

              Maybe you can make another way to calculate your mmr, or maybe when a nº of games were played another chance to recalculate the mmr.
              I will really like a kill/death/asssist system. Is the only way to get a balanced team. And i think report limit must be gone, is the only way to take out the people who only makes the game go ugly and without sense. Or maybe when get a nº of report on competitives games get a -xx mmr (-25 mmr for example)
              Last edited by ChaoticHunter; 01-22-2016, 10:35 PM.

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              • LIKES
                - I like that most (i.e. the majority) of players in Ranked Matchmaking tend to take the game more seriously.
                Could there be a way to further reward/punish for choosing a random hero? e.g. MMR bonus/penalty for win/loss.

                - I like that the game modes in Ranked Matchmaking are limited to those which promote more skill-based games, while Normal Matchmaking contains some fun-type modes.
                I'd like to see Captains Draft added as a Ranked Matchmaking game mode, since I think it would complement Random Draft as they are comparable in the way that Captains Mode is comparable to All Pick.

                DISLIKES
                - I dislike that everyone on the team receives the same MMR change regardless of their personal MMR, especially in games with a wider MMR spread.
                Base the award MMR inc/dec individually on each player's personal MMR and possibly modified by the highest/lowest MMR of the opposing team or other factors such as KDA, wards placed, such that a player with 1000 MMR greater than the opposing team's average could both lose more points on a loss and win fewer on a win, and similarly a player with a much lower MMR than the opposing team's average would gain much more on a win and lose fewer points on a loss.
                Essentially, this could assist the lower-ranked player on a team when "boosting", but it would also penalize the higher-ranked player on a loss.
                I also think that matches could be assigned more quickly, allowing for some difference in MMR (up to 200 or so) without having to wait extended lengths of time, or for those instances that wait times are at 30 minutes or more, matches could still be assigned at greater spreads without worry of causing major dissatisfaction with the players.

                - I dislike when players abandon a game and then come back and finish the game but still receive an abandonment. Other instances include player abuse causing another player to abandon.
                Allow players to vote to nullify the abandonment, at the very least preventing it from causing Low Priority status if the forced-loss of MMR points is still necessary. I would suggest basing the votes on the number of "teams" that joined but making it fairly easy to nullify the abandonment since players can become hostile pretty easily (I'll admit, I'm working on it, but I'm by no means excluded).

                - This is not limited to Ranked Matchmaking, but I dislike that the choices of languages are limited.
                I think that both increasing the number of listed languages and increasing the number of additional languages that can be selected will offer players a better choice of communication. Even if the game is not translated into those other languages, many players speak additional languages that are not listed, so more options could help match players to better teammates.

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                • Originally posted by ChaoticHunter View Post
                  I will really like a kill/death/asssist system. Is the only way to get a balanced team. And i think report limit must be gone, is the only way to take out the people who only makes the game go ugly and without sense. Or maybe when get a nº of report on competitives games get a -xx mmr (-25 mmr for example)
                  I agree that MMR needs to be more "fluid", in that it seems like it's very easy to go down and difficult to go up. Implementing stats-based MMR adjustments could help, taking into consideration support-items purchased and some other things. It could be a bonus of only 5 MMR max, but that could make the difference long-term when you have a 50% winrate.

                  Regarding the reporting issue, do you ever commend? It may not be true, but I have noticed that when I commend I tend to get more available reports. This could also be just that my mindset is in helping the game, so I also tend to only report those that really deserve it. Try not to "throw away" your reports on players that are simply playing a bad game, but save them for those that are really 1) flaming or spamming in chat, 2) abusing game mechanics (i.e. KOTL porting you or teammates making it impossible for them to play or forcing an abandon), or 3) ACTUALLY feeding, as in running across the map and dying...on purpose. I'm certain that you get more available reports when the reports you file are against players that are also reported, meaning those that are actually ruining the game instead of players that just appear to suck.

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                  • Originally posted by Dugachki View Post
                    They were not pros on their smurf accounts so don't give me that: "amount of time played is not an indicator of skill".
                    But that's exactly what they'll say. At least pertaining to MMR, time played is not an indication of MMR.

                    Originally posted by Dugachki View Post
                    I dislike the fact that I get matched on the team with players that I muted previous game!! I muted them because they were abusive, or ruining the game on purpose! If they were on my team last game, I'm sure matchmaking can put them on the opposite team this time since they are obviously "equally" skilled!!
                    I definitely think there should be a blocking function that by all means prevents you from playing with that account again. You can block them within Steam, but I'm not sure if that has any effect on the matchmaking system.

                    Originally posted by Dugachki View Post
                    I dislike random option in ranked.
                    I agree that random hero selection needs to be adjusted. I would suggest offering a bonus or penalty of MMR depending on win or loss, providing an incentive to those that really think they can random while discouraging less experienced players from attempting to random.

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                    • game id 2104860340 my brother is playing with drow ,and had feeders over feeders and this is the 6 game in a row like this

                      1 devs suck !!!! you can't code a single line of code ,you have no idea how to do it!!!even idie games are better
                      2 this mode is ONLY one sided from start to finish
                      3 if those are competitive games for you ,I WILL CUT MY HEAD
                      4 DO NOT try to repair this mode DELETE IT !!!!!
                      5 best laugh for 1 month


                      and for mods ,do not delete my post because you don't like it ,I write only what I see ingame and it is a conclusion ,when there are posts over 2 years old talking about the same problems and this mode is the same shit ,devs tried to fix it ,but the mode is worst is not fun not competitive not balanced not nothing ,IT SUCK,you can't play this mode IT IS UNPLAYABLE

                      and they do the same shit

                      1 time played 100 hours with 2500 hours
                      2 15 level profile with 78 level profile
                      3 mmr 3200 with 2200 mmr
                      4 200 gpm with 480 gpm
                      5 300 xpm with 600 xpm
                      6 ignored players are back in your team 3 games in a row !!!how fun is to play with someone that swear you about your family like and quote "I hope you die so I can rape your wife and kids and after I will kill you mother because she made a retarded"

                      this is the only game that math does count !!!!
                      Last edited by enosrasun; 01-25-2016, 12:23 PM.

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                      • RAAAAAAAAAGE

                        Originally posted by enosrasun View Post
                        game id 2104860340 my brother is playing with drow ,and had feeders over feeders and this is the 6 game in a row like this

                        1 devs suck !!!! you can't code a single line of code ,you have no idea how to do it!!!even idie games are better
                        You're not really in a position to insult the devs if you can't even do some basic spellcheck on your post.

                        Originally posted by enosrasun View Post
                        2 this mode is ONLY one sided from start to finish
                        There's another thread on this forum for that exact problem. Here you go: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=70322

                        Originally posted by enosrasun View Post
                        3 if those are competitive games for you ,I WILL CUT MY HEAD
                        4 DO NOT try to repair this mode DELETE IT !!!!!
                        OR...just maybe...maybe you could play another mode if you're not happy with MMR?

                        Originally posted by enosrasun View Post
                        5 best laugh for 1 month

                        [...]

                        IT IS UNPLAYABLE

                        [...]

                        how fun is to play with someone that [...]

                        this is the only game that math does count !!!!
                        Did you even read the top post? Raging like this does nothing to help anyone. I doubt it even helps you out, aside from the small amount of relief from SHOUTING IN TEXT FORM! GWAAAAAA

                        Seriously though, did you report that player? I'm going to guess that you didn't have any reports available, probably from wasting them on players that didn't deserve one. Save your reports for those that really deserve it; don't waste them on someone that is probably just having a bad game.

                        Make your criticism constructive if you actual expect anyone to read any of it.

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                        • The worst bug ever

                          Here is the most horrible bug ever: This mmr is system is goddamn broken, the game just gives me/you/my friend/your friend 4 guys who doesnt even try to win. 2/3 lost games are lost after the draft stage is finished. Why dont you make every player receive different quantity of points? DotA 2 has very good fantasy point system, why dont you use it to calculate how many mmr each player gets/loses? It would be very good and it will make every player try to win, because his feed, bad plays, cour feeding etc., will only affect his result of the game, why do you make me/you/my friend/your friend lose points because of broken people? With every patch it gets harder and harder to win the game 1 vs 9, some time ago we had troll, sniper, juggernaut and bloodseeker to play 1 vs 9, now DotA 2 becomes more and more balanced, playing as a team becomes more important than solo skills, so MMR system must be changed too

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                          • yes I am .even my 7 years old kid can code better.I am 32 years old and I work in IT for 12 years

                            Originally posted by Joozian View Post
                            You're not really in a position to insult the devs if you can't even do some basic spellcheck on your post.

                            yeah 205 pages for nothing ...same system

                            Originally posted by Joozian View Post
                            There's another thread on this forum for that exact problem. Here you go: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=70322

                            ranked suppose to be the best mode of a game ..where you can play competitive games ,not 25-30 of feeding ,wasted time

                            Originally posted by Joozian View Post
                            OR...just maybe...maybe you could play another mode if you're not happy with MMR?

                            I read the top post ,but they do not want to read the next 81 pages where the players tell them this mode suck ,fix it.
                            I wrote like normal people do ,but if the system is the same ,it means that no one is reading this thread except the ones who post here.And I am a very calm person.It is very sad how they ruin a nice game

                            Originally posted by Joozian View Post
                            Did you even read the top post? Raging like this does nothing to help anyone. I doubt it even helps you out, aside from the small amount of relief from SHOUTING IN TEXT FORM! GWAAAAAA

                            I have 4 reports remaining ,I reported him.6 games with feeders in a row is to much

                            Originally posted by Joozian View Post
                            Seriously though, did you report that player? I'm going to guess that you didn't have any reports available, probably from wasting them on players that didn't deserve one. Save your reports for those that really deserve it; don't waste them on someone that is probably just having a bad game.

                            from 2014 I wrote about it in a constructive way and mods delete some of my posts when pointing out how the system is made ,

                            Originally posted by Joozian View Post
                            Make your criticism constructive if you actual expect anyone to read any of it.

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                            • Originally posted by enosrasun View Post
                              yes I am .even my 7 years old kid can code better.I am 32 years old and I work in IT for 12 years
                              Just saying....that doesn't mean anything.

                              There's no point in raging. They're definitely not going to waste their time on that. If it makes you feel better, then fine, but if anything it makes the post less likely to be read by anyone that matters.

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                              • I coded the scripts for some very good games ,is not hard ,if you know your staff,but when are threads telling them this mode is wrong fix it ,give them suggestions, ideas ,and the game is the same for 2 years ,either they do not know how to code ,or they do not read this forum and do not care and this is disrespect to players who support this game.
                                it si ok ,after 12 games in a row with feeders (2-20-3 ,3-15-2,) my brother has quit the game, and we deleted dota 2 ,even my son said you can't play this game ,and now all 3 moved to another game.I am very defensive when it comes to my family because this is not the first time when we get toxic players ,but after 5000 hours you can't take it anymore ,you ignore them and the game put them back in your team,really???

                                this is my last post on this forum bye .bye

                                Originally posted by Joozian View Post
                                Just saying....that doesn't mean anything.

                                There's no point in raging. They're definitely not going to waste their time on that. If it makes you feel better, then fine, but if anything it makes the post less likely to be read by anyone that matters.

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