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Which modes does the ranked matchmaking really need?

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  • Which modes does the ranked matchmaking really need?

    TL;DR: AP is great for learning/mastering, but it's not competitive enough for higher mmr's. CM and CD are terrible for solo queue. Vote which modes you feel are needed.


    Finally mmr is visible, congratulations to everyone who voted once again.

    Nevertheless I would like to question the provided modes, because I find them not very suitable for solo queuing at higher MMR's (4500+). There has been a similar thread, but I didn't like how the voting was organized and it's obsolete anyway.

    I don't want to directly criticize modes which exist in ranked MM at the moment(ap, cd, cm), I guess you all know the drawbacks of them, and ap is definitely leading by both popularity and issues it has. CD and CM are just bad for a solo queue: for me it's almost impossible to datamine what my teammates can actually play well or explain the gameplan I had while picking, nor can I trust the picks to a random guy, who, probably, has a significantly lower mmr or just has no idea about drafting.

    Please note that extra queues(any extra mode) increase search time and, consequently, decrease matching quality - so vote for as little options as possible.


    I, personally, think that only ap and rd should exist in ranked mmr. CM and CD are great modes, but only for the team - they should be presented in team matchmaking. AP should stay as a "noob mode" - there's no point in forcing someone who just plays one or two heroes to play a limited RD pool.

    I have played hundreds of rd games in a ranked, competitive environment, back in dota1, and it makes both the drafting stage and the game much more interesting and skill-based. I also suggest order of picks in RD to go from higher MMR to lower, but it's a side suggestion not related to the poll.

    Thank you for your time, please vote.
    1,141
    All Pick (AP)
    14.64%
    167
    Random Draft (RD)
    20.42%
    233
    Single Draft (SD)
    9.20%
    105
    All Random (AR)
    6.92%
    79
    Captains Mode (CM)
    26.91%
    307
    Captains Draft (CD)
    21.91%
    250
    Last edited by soprof; 08-11-2014, 02:48 PM.
    You're only as strong as your weakest link.
    -Thomas Reid


  • #2
    Why not everything?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Avidity View Post
      Why not everything?
      Because
      Please note that extra queue's increase search time and, consequently, decrease matching quality - so vote for as little options as possible.
      You're only as strong as your weakest link.
      -Thomas Reid

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      • #4
        No need to make compromise.

        Introducing MMR range filter would solve a lot of problems.

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        • #5
          if order of picks goes by descending MMR, aren't you then putting the pressure of counter-picking on "less skilled" players? I guess you could make arguments about this in either direction, so I think it should probably be random

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Avidity View Post
            No need to make compromise.

            Introducing MMR range filter would solve a lot of problems.
            not the subject, sorry

            Originally posted by func_door View Post
            if order of picks goes by descending MMR, aren't you then putting the pressure of counter-picking on "less skilled" players? I guess you could make arguments about this in either direction, so I think it should probably be random
            Probs you are right, it's not to big of a deal anyway.

            What I was thinking is that first positions have limited time to choose, so they are kinda under pressure.
            You're only as strong as your weakest link.
            -Thomas Reid

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            • #7
              Originally posted by soprof View Post
              not the subject, sorry

              Please note that extra queues(any extra mode) increase search time and, consequently, decrease matching quality - so vote for as little options as possible.
              Why compromise when you can fix the problem by introducing MMR range filter?

              You get to have your cake and eat it too.

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              • #8
                RD is the BEST mode for pubs. No contest

                you can counter pick
                you have to be mindful of the hero pool and what you pick


                THE most balanced mode for pub games. Why is it not in the game but AP the most cancerous game mode is? VALVE

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                • #9
                  Remove AP add RD and everything would be fine. I don't really know why you'd want to keep the most imbalanced mode out there. Might aswell add AR if it doesn't matter.

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                  • #10
                    don't get me wrong, i'm not the hater of ap mode: ap is hands-down the best practice mode for unranked games =D
                    You're only as strong as your weakest link.
                    -Thomas Reid

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by soprof View Post
                      don't get me wrong, i'm not the hater of ap mode: ap is hands-down the best practice mode for unranked games =D
                      It's also only good for the lowest of low.

                      WHO the hell is voting up CM?
                      Last edited by anytime; 12-18-2013, 11:14 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Avidity View Post
                        Why compromise when you can fix the problem by introducing MMR range filter?
                        It is already filtered. You won't improve anything.

                        Everyone saying that AP is an uncompetetive mode without giving any reasoning except the usual "only noobs play it", "uncompetetive because you have to think more to get a proper lineup", etc comments.

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                        • #13
                          I've created a reddit thread, but I have doubts it'll go up.
                          You're only as strong as your weakest link.
                          -Thomas Reid

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                          • #14
                            ardm

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by vangosu View Post
                              ardm
                              valve hire this man excellent first post

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