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Earth Spirit buff/nerf discussion thread (merged)

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  • Earth Spirit buff/nerf discussion thread (merged)

    How would you nerf him?

    One of the most contested picks in Ranked AP


    Has a force staff on a 10s cd that silences
    A huge gap closer that slows for 80% on a 4s CD
    A 2.5 second stun that can hit multiple units


    And his ult, that spreads the debuffs to all unlucky unit to be caught in its vinicity (while dealing a DoT)


    Discuss.
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  • #2
    I'd make his spells cost some mana.

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    • #3
      Increasing mana cost is a good place to start, his remnants should cost mana as well, and maybe have 2s cooldown.

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      • #4
        Maybe I'm just a little salty about this issue. A lot of old heroes are crippled by enormous mana costs on spells that sometimes aren't even that good. None of the new heroes have mana issues and their spells are generally more useful than those of old heroes.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Two Treads View Post
          Maybe I'm just a little salty about this issue. A lot of old heroes are crippled by enormous mana costs on spells that sometimes aren't even that good. None of the new heroes have mana issues and their spells are generally more useful than those of old heroes.
          Can you give an example?

          Only one I could think of is Earthshaker, but with the introduction of Arcane Boots, I think Earthshaker is reasonably balanced for his abilities.
          He's the hero this community deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt his identity, because he can take it, because he's not our hero. He's a silent buffer, a watchful nerfer. An IceFrog.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Avidity View Post
            Increasing mana cost is a good place to start, his remnants should cost mana as well, and maybe have 2s cooldown.
            Yea, mana would be the place to look. Without really altering his late game potential so much, increasing his mana costs or lowering his base mana/int gain would really force him to actually get items before he would be a full force rather than just racking up levels and never having much of a mana problem.

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            • #7
              I personally think Earth Spirit's cast time deserves a nerf.

              That or make him unable to engage and escape with ease.

              He is better at disabling enemy heroes than Storm Spirit, has way lesser mana requirements and do great without items.
              He's the hero this community deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt his identity, because he can take it, because he's not our hero. He's a silent buffer, a watchful nerfer. An IceFrog.

              My Speedtest Result

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              • #8
                Originally posted by d.phoenixxx View Post
                Can you give an example?

                Only one I could think of is Earthshaker, but with the introduction of Arcane Boots, I think Earthshaker is reasonably balanced for his abilities.
                I think he is generally talking about early(ier) game(as in from about 1-7~8).

                Earthshaker is one most definitely, but with mana boots it helps a lot. I might venture to say something like Shadow Shaman or AA. Not as bad as EShaker but not nearly as good as ESpirit. Brewmaster (kinda) as well. They aren't the best examples, as there really aren't any other great examples besides EShaker, but they all have similar situations.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by d.phoenixxx View Post
                  Can you give an example?

                  Only one I could think of is Earthshaker, but with the introduction of Arcane Boots, I think Earthshaker is reasonably balanced for his abilities.
                  Hi. I'm batrider. I need hell lot of farm and levels to just move an enemy out of position. Sorry to say, I'll deal almost no damage and it'll cost over 400 mana.

                  Hi, batrider. I'm E-Spirit. I can do the same at level 3 for 225 mana and it'll deal WHOOOPING(for level 3) 360 magic damage. You clearly suck balls, bro.

                  (don't get me wrong, I still love batrider, but you asked an example.)
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                  • #10
                    Now, speaking about how he should be nerfed, I suggest all of the following:

                    0. General.
                    Casting animation should be 0.1 / 0.5 instead of current 0.01 / 0. That will help bottom tier to cast things properly and, at the same time, limit his cap performance for nerds.

                    I. Geomagnetic Grip.
                    Damage should scale as 75/100/125/150, instead of 125/125/125/125. Manacost should go up to 90/100/110/120 instead of current 75.

                    II. Boulder Smash.
                    Silence should scale 3/3.5/4/4.5 instead of current 5/5/5/5.

                    Should be enough.
                    You're only as strong as your weakest link.
                    -Thomas Reid

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                    • #11
                      Fine as it is.

                      Also Hi Batrider, also while your lasso'd on him you will be dealing a wooping amount of dmg from your Flames and tar. Also you after 10 stacks (long team fight) you will have + 300 dmg to every attack and spell. Also your ultimate has a longer stun period. Really earths pull is like a lesser skilled version of pudges hook.
                      Originally posted by Typhox
                      Nope. Windows Explorer is not a database
                      Take a look into the mirror! You think you are completely unfailable. With your limited knowledge, you think that you know more than someone who is very deep in the matter/an expert.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Crowfeather View Post
                        Fine as it is.

                        Also Hi Batrider, also while your lasso'd on him you will be dealing a wooping amount of dmg from your Flames and tar. Also you after 10 stacks (long team fight) you will have + 300 dmg to every attack and spell. Also your ultimate has a longer stun period. Really earths pull is like a lesser skilled version of pudges hook.
                        Earth Spirit doesn't really affect low tier players like youself, there is a reason why he is not in CM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Avidity View Post
                          Earth Spirit doesn't really affect low tier players, there is a reason why he is not in CM.
                          yes he is not in CM since he is a new hero and there is always a time lapse. If there is a new hero or a rework of a hero they are removed from CM for an extended period of time until the competitive scene get used to them.

                          Also please don't start that crap about CM, the CM pools are already inconsistent between Dota and Dota2. A hero being in CM or not has nothing to do with how balanced it is.

                          I.E Legion isn't in CM, yet she has been around for ages....


                          Also I am not a low tier player, derp. This whole thread is complaining about ranked AP. derp

                          If you really think its such a big problem for the "Pros" then please wait for the Pros to complain to Icefrog via email. Avidity you are certainly not a "high tier player" or a professional.

                          Stop being so god damn arrogant.
                          Originally posted by Typhox
                          Nope. Windows Explorer is not a database
                          Take a look into the mirror! You think you are completely unfailable. With your limited knowledge, you think that you know more than someone who is very deep in the matter/an expert.

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                          • #14
                            Does it matter if I constantly get matched with pro players while playing on top pages?

                            Of course it doesn't. I know very little about balance when it comes to Dota, you're the expert here.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Avidity View Post
                              Does it matter if I constantly get matched with pro players while playing on top pages?

                              Of course it doesn't. I know very little about balance when it comes to Dota, you're the expert here.
                              Does getting matched with pro players mean you are near-pro level?

                              Cause I've been matched with Loda and iceiceice more than enough times, yet I never feel I can go pro. Hmm?
                              He's the hero this community deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt his identity, because he can take it, because he's not our hero. He's a silent buffer, a watchful nerfer. An IceFrog.

                              My Speedtest Result

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