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Invoker balance discussion

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  • kukai
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    Invoker is getting boring right now. (for old school players)

    He needs a new spell to learn or bring back one from his old 27.

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  • Legion Commander
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    Originally posted by hoveringmover View Post
    You shouldn't report for that.
    Y u no understand the ?

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  • GothicCream
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    Originally posted by hoveringmover View Post
    You shouldn't report for that. If they didn't want you to revive threads they would close them or otherwise enable an automatic lock down system. Not every forum has the same rules/regulations/mechanics, get used to it.
    Actually you can PM mod in this forums about someone necro a very old and outdated tread to close it, I'm done that before.

    But this tread still not that old as that one mention but still old.

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  • hoveringmover
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    You shouldn't report for that. If they didn't want you to revive threads they would close them or otherwise enable an automatic lock down system. Not every forum has the same rules/regulations/mechanics, get used to it.

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  • Legion Commander
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    Reported for necroing.

    OT: Invoker is fine, you plebs.

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  • GothicCream
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    Originally posted by Broco View Post
    Why do you play Moderator if you aren't one?
    So you need to be mod to complain about someone necro and old tread?

    Not sure if this is a troll logic or retard logic.

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  • Broco
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    Originally posted by GothicCream View Post
    Why DA HEX do you necro an old tread?
    It is merely 8 months old and 2ndly what about Invoker changed since April? EMP stayed the same. The question is: Why do you play Moderator if you aren't one?

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  • GothicCream
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    Originally posted by Broco View Post
    Bla Bla Bla Bla Text Wall aboutacurrentinvokertoarguetosomeoldcommentaboutol dinvoker Bla Bla Bla Bla.
    Why DA HEX do you necro an old tread?
    Last edited by GothicCream; 12-19-2014, 01:01 PM.

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  • Broco
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    Originally posted by joker View Post
    and thats why he should get nerf obviously ?
    No. But since 4-1-4 got nerfed so hard (but it's still ok) Wex Invoker got popular and now people experience that combo more often. And since it is so powerful and easy to pull off it's too strong imho.
    If you play mid Invoker and go full Wex you will drain up to 100% of your enemies' mana in early teamfights (< 20 minutes) which is WAY too much, even in a 1v1 mid situation combined with cold snap it is pretty strong, a level 5 Invoker can burn a maximum of 250 mana while gaining 125 from it (vs 1 target) and dealing 125 dmg (- magic immunity) with it. But when used vs 5 it's just not funny anymore, a level 5 Invoker in a 5v5 fight will in the best case drain 1250 mana and gain 625 which is 5 times the mana cost of the spell. That's just insane.

    Compare it to Nyx' mana burn: You have to have alot of INT to be able to drain as much mana as a Wex Invoker BUT you can do so only on ONE target at a time at a pretty high mana cost and you DON'T gain mana from it.

    I'm not saying it should be nerfed to the ground but in my opinion it should do a fixed amount of damage applied to all units combined with a divided mana burn (like sunstrikes damage is divided across all units in the AOE).

    I started this thread a few months ago and since that I played a lot Invoker games and still think that EMP is way too powerful since when the Tornado+EMP-combo is executed right it is only avoidable with magic immunity which is not available for all heroes (especially supports) and not at all stages of the game.
    You seldom see a support having a pre 30 minute BKB and you don't often see a pre 20 minute BKB on carries since they mostly build their core/farming items like MoM/Battle Fury/Midas first.

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  • joker
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    Originally posted by kykiskie View Post
    tl;dr version : invoker is op for random pubs games, where supports and teamworks are like gifts from god.
    and thats why he should get nerf obviously ?

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  • kykiskie
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    Originally posted by joker View Post
    are u talking about quax wex voker , or exort voker , or totally voker ?

    can u post one match id that you really think invoker is imba in that game (remember dont show me that match when your are going to gang invoker with no dust , feeding all game then you have nothing as a team )

    because sometimes people dont know how to gang , and they feed instead . Doom silence are good counters .

    Sometimes its because your supports dont know how to play , sometimes its bad picks , sometimes game doesn't go well , sometimes voker is too pro , you can not POINT your finger to voker every time .

    I played lots of voker , and played lots of games against him still dont think he is too IMBA that you can not handle .

    as a invoker player , INVOKER always staying back in fights searching the time that enemy team focusing team mates ( most likely when 2 or 3 melee heroes start the fight , or 2 or 3 melee start attacking the towers )
    and yes in this situation invoker or any other AOE hero is too dangerous .

    Look at brood mother , it got really nice buff but players dont know what too pick how to play and now there is no sight of brood mother any more . in those days Storm batrider bounty hunter were good counters for brood . but community thought its better to destroy him .
    tl;dr version : invoker is op for random pubs games, where supports and teamworks are like gifts from god.

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  • joker
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    Originally posted by kykiskie View Post
    wow wow so much wow,

    im a solo queuer , i play pubs , i feel so offended.
    are u talking about quax wex voker , or exort voker , or totally voker ?

    can u post one match id that you really think invoker is imba in that game (remember dont show me that match when your are going to gang invoker with no dust , feeding all game then you have nothing as a team )

    because sometimes people dont know how to gang , and they feed instead . Doom silence are good counters .

    Sometimes its because your supports dont know how to play , sometimes its bad picks , sometimes game doesn't go well , sometimes voker is too pro , you can not POINT your finger to voker every time .

    I played lots of voker , and played lots of games against him still dont think he is too IMBA that you can not handle .

    as a invoker player , INVOKER always staying back in fights searching the time that enemy team focusing team mates ( most likely when 2 or 3 melee heroes start the fight , or 2 or 3 melee start attacking the towers )
    and yes in this situation invoker or any other AOE hero is too dangerous .

    Look at brood mother , it got really nice buff but players dont know what too pick how to play and now there is no sight of brood mother any more . in those days Storm batrider bounty hunter were good counters for brood . but community thought its better to destroy him .
    Last edited by joker; 04-16-2014, 07:24 AM.

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  • kykiskie
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    Originally posted by joker View Post
    invoker tu goot ? maybe u dont know how to play , ask C9 teach u some lessons .

    as i said before , dont hug each other , dont rush with no vision , dont attack creeps towers like noobs , and get bkb .

    also get magic sticks and ask your supp to get arcane boots .
    wow wow so much wow,

    im a solo queuer , i play pubs , i feel so offended.

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  • davidsalter
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    Originally posted by Magnum1011 View Post
    except for kunkka and shadowfiend
    even then they dont have ALL of the mentioned qualities in one

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  • Magnum1011
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    Originally posted by joker View Post
    Its not just invoker its other heroes like earth shaker , shadowfiend , lich , magnus , sandking , kunkka , Void , enigma , OD ,,,, that you should play carefully .

    I am not against any nerf but i am saying that do not destroy the hero .
    none of these heroes have free haste, drain your mana, have a perfect escape and ganking spell or are great splitpushers lategame, except for kunkka and shadowfiend

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