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  • Originally posted by ymi2gr84u View Post
    Yea, but why should i play better and improve when there is no competition ?

    You're trying to ruin the psychological aspect of the "sport". For example lets take soccer. You think that people care so much about 20 people running after a ball ? No, the interesting part is the competition. How you associate yourself with a team and you compete against other people / nations. who associate with the enemy team. And when you watch it on tv, you experience a portion of their triumph or loose. That is the exciting part about the game.

    I'm simple minded person, that is how i was born. I don't care for improvement if there is no competition, that's just part of my human nature. Personally if there is no ranking system i'll stop playing this game eventually, mainly because of that. You might have some arguments, but the mass of people don't think like you .... they think like me. If you take the competition out of the game - the game is dead.
    Then you can go now. because currently there is no competition in the game, and thus no reason for you to be here. But you won't leave, ever, no matter how much you say you will or cry about it, your threats remain empty. And Valve knows that.

    Originally posted by wolleesel View Post
    ye i can only repeat myself
    hypocrates rock

    u dont have any opinion at all but since u can change it every page pretending that its ur opinion u can at least keep posting

    im not sure what u mean by u seek an understanding when u write hurr durr every time i play solo qq i have at least 70% win!!! explain it to me

    ???????? i never said that, sry i dont have 70% win i dont know what u mean, you troll

    yes i understand ur compromise... at least you dont realize that your a hyprocrite which makes it kind of funny to read ur excuses
    You are talking out of your ass so much this thread is starting to stink.

    Originally posted by ymi2gr84u View Post
    Here let me stand to your intellectual level and give arguments which you can probably understand:

    "But you're 30-50 noobs, who have accumulated to a place to cry about how you shouldn't be recognized as such, cuz then in-game u mad cuz u bad.
    What u noobs no realize is that every long-time, big-time competitive e-sport has had ranking system and valve wud b stupid as f*ck if they no ranking system 4 dota2. Cuz then no $$$ 4 valve, cuz people come, see game, play a little, realize no point of playing, move on to another game ...."

    IT WILL HAPPEN, SON .... THEY'RE NOT THAT STUPID TO TURN DOWN THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE COMMUNITY.

    Regards.
    Well lets see. A ranking system is COMPLETELY separate from stats, and stats have no bearing or effect on a ranking system at all. Also, Valve knows that plenty of people will continuously flock to their game regardless of its state, which is why they have done such a shit job so far on it. They will always get their $$$. Thus, your an idiot.

    Originally posted by DarkLite View Post
    I...honestly don't know what you're trying to say here.

    edit: is there even a ranking system for Dota 1?
    There supposedly is/was a MMR rank for each player, but it is completely hidden now. It USED to be viewable via a console command, but that is no longer the case. As for a ladder that lists everyone, no not yet. You just could look at your individual rating and see where you were.

    Originally posted by ranaki View Post
    Sorry if my posts are offending in some way. I am still trying to bring this discussion foreward.
    WHYYYYY?!?!?! The Dev's don't do their jobs on the game, why would they look at such a trollridden thread as this? Even the likes of myself and Irrelevante are mostly killing time here, god knows this thread will never go anywhere or get anything done.

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    • Originally posted by GrandBreaker View Post



      You are talking out of your ass so much this thread is starting to stink.


      Shinpai shinaide.
      it stinks enough from phonys like u already

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      • Originally posted by wolleesel View Post
        Shinpai shinaide.
        it stinks enough from phonys like u already
        wut

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        • +1

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          • Originally posted by GrandBreaker View Post
            Then you can go now. because currently there is no competition in the game, and thus no reason for you to be here. But you won't leave, ever, no matter how much you say you will or cry about it, your threats remain empty. And Valve knows that.
            Honestly, If HoN had all heroes from dota I would definatly continue to play it.
            Because this game has far from offering as much as HoN. I know this game is still in beta, but it soon comes to an end of the beta. HoN has a variety of different game modes, is more competitive built and has a stat and player ladder system which makes you want to continue playing in order to become better.
            The only thing I really love more about this game are the heroes and the mechanics.
            I know and support the fact that dota2 is trying to become more casual and noob friendly, but the way it is developing right now will kill the competition, and the will of the casual players to become better won't be any near as strong as it could with stats. It will decrease normal players chances of becoming a real competitive player significantly because there is no way to know if someone is better or worse in any way. You would have to try out and play with everyone who wants to join a team. This is something that takes a long time and is made at pure random. So it will become more luck based than skill based than it already is.

            Originally posted by GrandBreaker View Post
            Well lets see. A ranking system is COMPLETELY separate from stats, and stats have no bearing or effect on a ranking system at all. Also, Valve knows that plenty of people will continuously flock to their game regardless of its state, which is why they have done such a shit job so far on it. They will always get their $$$. Thus, your an idiot.
            I agree that a ranking system is different from stats.
            What stats are great for is comparing the DIFFERENCE between a good player and yourself in order to improve yourself.
            This is one of the many possitive things about stats.

            Originally posted by GrandBreaker View Post
            There supposedly is/was a MMR rank for each player, but it is completely hidden now. It USED to be viewable via a console command, but that is no longer the case. As for a ladder that lists everyone, no not yet. You just could look at your individual rating and see where you were.
            And you have to admit that after it was gone the game became a little bit less intresting.

            Originally posted by GrandBreaker View Post
            WHYYYYY?!?!?! The Dev's don't do their jobs on the game, why would they look at such a trollridden thread as this? Even the likes of myself and Irrelevante are mostly killing time here, god knows this thread will never go anywhere or get anything done.
            If you and Irrelevante just come here to kill time i would suggest not coming here anymore.
            Even though it seems pointless and that the devs are ignoring this I still think that they are reading this.
            Never underestimate the power of the masses.

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            • Originally posted by ranaki View Post
              I agree that a ranking system is different from stats.
              What stats are great for is comparing the DIFFERENCE between a good player and yourself in order to improve yourself.
              This is one of the many possitive things about stats.
              You cant compare the skill of two players by looking at stats.
              K/D? A bad player will killsteal because he wants a good K/D, a good player will let the carry get the kill, depending on the situation in game.
              A good support dedicates his life to protect the carry and if venge hesitates to swap the carry out of a bad situation because he is worried about his K/D, he is useless.
              Stats do tell you nothing about how good a player is, and if you have any feel for the game, you know if someone is playing better than you.
              why? because his skills are on the spot, he has great positioning and is a great addition to the enemy team.

              Stats tell you nothing except how big you think your epeen is.

              Why is this thread not locked already.

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              • I still haven't read a post that explains the downside of having private stats. (Stats that only you can see for yourself) There is absolutely no reason I cannot see my own performance ratings in a match. I would love to know how many wards I put down in a match so I know if I am wasting the ward stock in the shop without watching every replay. Things like that are important and if I want easy access to those statistics I see no reason to not include them as a private statistic, this already exists with performance bars except the bars are worthless. Hard stats would do amazing things for the game and if you get creative with it, it will improve and bond together the entire community.

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                • I really agree. We need stats, atleast some of us do

                  I love the feeling a good HoN game can give you when you have had a great score and knowing it will be added to your profile. It gives you a sense of accomplishment. I am not necessarily talking about K/D, but things like:

                  - Wards placed
                  - K/D/A
                  - GPM
                  - Win/loss

                  In HoN when I am looking at my stats, I get the feeling "I want to be better in this area" and then I try to improve. It gives me a goal, and yea it leaves me with a lot of frustration if I can't achieve it, but it is also the main reason it continues to be fun.

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                  • Originally posted by AtomicKillerFox View Post
                    when I am looking at my stats, I get the feeling "I want to be better in this area" and then I try to improve.
                    This is exactly why we need stats. Not every player has the time to hawk every replay they have and adding statistics would help make the game more accessible to everyone. More players will be encourage to get better because they have a reference point to work from. The system we already have is being flamed to death with people thinking amount of wins matter, so people in this thread need to stop acting like this is something that will only come with hard statistics. Including private stats will only help us as a community.

                    Originally posted by pcnx View Post
                    You cant compare the skill of two players by looking at stats.
                    K/D? A bad player will killsteal because he wants a good K/D, a good player will let the carry get the kill, depending on the situation in game.
                    A good support dedicates his life to protect the carry and if venge hesitates to swap the carry out of a bad situation because he is worried about his K/D, he is useless.
                    Stats do tell you nothing about how good a player is, and if you have any feel for the game, you know if someone is playing better than you.
                    why? because his skills are on the spot, he has great positioning and is a great addition to the enemy team.

                    Stats tell you nothing except how big you think your epeen is.

                    Why is this thread not locked already.
                    This already happens in our community, again don't act like adding statistics is gonna change anything that isn't already happening. It is not locked because it is still in discussion -_-.

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                    • i would like to see dota profile shows not only wins (for everyone) but also losses and leaves
                      but doubt it will be implemented

                      Originally posted by ranaki View Post
                      I know and support the fact that dota2 is trying to become more casual and noob friendly
                      the only why dota2 is trying to become more casual and noob friendly (or rather and more correct why DEVS try to make it such) is because noobs will buy their useless items and make profit for valve, so in general, no noobs - no money
                      Last edited by acubeofcake; 07-08-2012, 07:21 AM.

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                      • Originally posted by Korthac View Post
                        I still haven't read a post that explains the downside of having private stats. (Stats that only you can see for yourself) There is absolutely no reason I cannot see my own performance ratings in a match. I would love to know how many wards I put down in a match so I know if I am wasting the ward stock in the shop without watching every replay. Things like that are important and if I want easy access to those statistics I see no reason to not include them as a private statistic, this already exists with performance bars except the bars are worthless. Hard stats would do amazing things for the game and if you get creative with it, it will improve and bond together the entire community.
                        Well put!

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                        • Originally posted by Korthac View Post
                          I still haven't read a post that explains the downside of having private stats. (Stats that only you can see for yourself)
                          Yup. Because there are no logical arguments against them.

                          We will see how long it will take Valve to implement them, or at least make the API public, so people who want to put the effort in can make 3rd party websites etc. where we can check our stats.

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                          • You know that there is already a website with stats, right? (3rd party ofc)
                            To private stats: i have no issue with keeping private stats,
                            however i still dont know how you guys "read" out of statistics where you could improve?
                            I mean the number of Wards wont tell you if you are good at warding, its just a number.
                            Same with all the other stats.
                            I agree that its kind of an indicator of accomplishment and something nice to look at after a long game,
                            but tbh since valve added the strange modificators to the weapons, im more than happy to count my kills on the jugg sword.

                            I think this thread deserves closing, because even though the discussion has not yet ended, there is nobody who brings a new argument whatsoever
                            to the table. Everything has been said and its now upon valve to decide

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                            • Originally posted by pcnx View Post
                              You know that there is already a website with stats, right? (3rd party ofc)
                              To private stats: i have no issue with keeping private stats,
                              however i still dont know how you guys "read" out of statistics where you could improve?
                              I mean the number of Wards wont tell you if you are good at warding, its just a number.
                              Same with all the other stats.
                              I agree that its kind of an indicator of accomplishment and something nice to look at after a long game,
                              but tbh since valve added the strange modificators to the weapons, im more than happy to count my kills on the jugg sword.

                              I think this thread deserves closing, because even though the discussion has not yet ended, there is nobody who brings a new argument whatsoever
                              to the table. Everything has been said and its now upon valve to decide
                              Funny you mention that website, I have seen people searching other players with it and harass them IN GAME for it. What Valve is trying to avoid is already happening. To be honest that is why I think the thread is still open though, Valve HASN'T decided. There is still hope.
                              .

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                              • Yeah i mean haters gonna hate. always.
                                If you take away the website, they will check your profile out and then complain that you only have xxx wins.
                                But Valve isnt making it too easy for them right now, and that is a good thing.

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