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  • Freezing Field

    While this skill's name does fit the movement slow theme, I don't see how "Freezing Field" has anything to do with the ice explosions. It associates more with people getting frozen and such, which in fact, doesn't happen; - they get bombarded by chunks of ice.

    So a few suggestions could be:
    Snowstorm
    Blizzard (If not copyrighted)
    Ice Shower
    Icestorm
    Great Hail
    Last edited by setuxas; 03-08-2012, 06:18 AM.
    Brainwashing people is fun.

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    this isn't a tooltip issue

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    • #3
      It's a tooltip name, so I think it's a tooltip issue.
      Brainwashing people is fun.

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      • #4
        Its a spell name, so it gets moved to Lore.
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        • #5
          The game has more spell names that make no sense.

          Death Pulse (it's not a pulse...).
          Amplify Damage (no it doesn't, it's only called that as a Diablo 2 reference).
          LVL? Death (there is a soundbite about demonic luck; call it something about fate or dice then, not LVL? Death).
          Demonic Edict & Demonic Conversion (according to the lore neither hero is "demonic").
          Decrepify (this has nothing to do with the effect it suggests or with the Diablo 2 spell).
          Flamebreak (how do you break flames...?)
          Macropyre (bigger than a mesopyre, bigger still than a micropyre?).
          Exorcism (how to conduct an exorcism: step #1. Summon a lot of evil ghosts).
          Light Strike Array (surrender now, Megatron! The Light Strike Array is under Autobot control).

          And certain hero names:

          Razor (has nothing to do with blades).
          Lucifer (why bother with the Omniscience, just call it "God").
          Traxex (the all-new Traxex 4WD radio-controlled buggy).
          Jakiro (Spider-Man vs Jakiro, out now!).
          "Omniknight" (as opposed to singular knight?).

          And heroes with no unique identity whatsoever, like Sven the Rogue Knight. I don't know what image "Rogue Knight" conjures up, but it probably isn't a bright blue demon with an anime sword and some sort of white brick on his head.



          It is perfectly acceptable that Icefrog occasionally misses the mark because he is only one guy, but Valve is supposed to have people working for them specifically to write lore and enforce a coherent universe. These people should step in and tell Icefrog they are being paid to come up with better names and hero identities.
          Last edited by Enai Siaion; 03-08-2012, 08:05 AM.

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          • #6
            Regarding the spells you're quite correct, though apart from Amplify Damage, Demonic Edict and Demonic Conversion I don't really regard them as real issues.

            Razor (has nothing to do with blades).
            Traxex (the all-new Traxex 4WD radio-controlled buggy).
            Jakiro (Spider-Man vs Jakiro, out now!).
            "Omniknight" (As opposed to singular knight?).
            I understand what you mean with Razor, but I don't think it's really a major concern. Really, there's no sort of copyright on the name Razor, so changing it would just lead to most of the community enraging anyhow.
            Traxex and Jakiro are just plain names, if names were one-time use only we'd be naming humans like we do stars or something. Seriously, you're over thinking it.
            Omniknight is just a mix between the Omniscience and a Knight. Regard it as a special title given to the highest ranking Knight in the order serving the Omniscience. Again, you're overthinking it.

            Sven the Rogue Knight. I don't know what image "Rogue Knight" conjures up, but it probably isn't a bright blue demon
            He's not a demon in DotA 2. His armor is blue.
            Rogue Knight is because he is a Knight gone rogue. He's still a Knight, he just doesn't serve his original masters any more, thus "Rogue Knight"
            The only real thing I have against Sven is the "God's Strength" channeling his "Rogue strength". I mean really just say that Sven is incredibly strong, don't call it "Rogue strength" cause that would imply that he gained strength from going rogue or something.

            EDIT: I see you made some additions. Regarding Lucifer/Omniscience. The Omniscience is NOT God. I mean it's even implied in the lore of Omniknight that the Omniscience may be trapped there rather than that he protected himself using the planet. The Omniscience has never been shown to be omnipotent.
            Regarding the 2 additional spell names (Exorcism/Light Strike Array) I'll keep to my comment about the spell names. (Really though, stop saying names cannot be used because they sound like something from series <x>)
            Last edited by Arxos; 03-08-2012, 08:17 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by setuxas View Post
              While this skill's name does fit the movement slow theme, I don't see how "Freezing Field" has anything to do with the ice explosions. It associates more with people getting frozen and such, which in fact, doesn't happen; - they get bombarded by chunks of ice.
              My guess is that "Freezing" doesn't refer to enemies literally being frozen, but rather that the area becomes very cold, slowing enemies.

              The game has more spell names that make no sense.

              Death Pulse (it's not a pulse...).
              Amplify Damage (no it doesn't, it's only called that as a Diablo 2 reference).
              LVL? Death (there is a soundbite about demonic luck; call it something about fate or dice then, not LVL? Death).
              Demonic Edict & Demonic Conversion (according to the lore neither hero is "demonic").
              Decrepify (this has nothing to do with the effect it suggests or with the Diablo 2 spell).
              Flamebreak (how do you break flames...?)
              Macropyre (bigger than a mesopyre, bigger still than a micropyre?).
              Exorcism (how to conduct an exorcism: step #1. Summon a lot of evil ghosts).
              Light Strike Array (surrender now, Megatron! The Light Strike Array is under Autobot control).
              Most of your points don't make any sense.

              Death Pulse: What's your definition of "pulse"? "Pulse" can mean several things. I think it is reasonable to describe the wave of energy Necrolyte emits as a "pulse."
              Amplify Damage: Yes, it does amplify damage. Subtracting armor amplifies physical damage.
              LVL? Death: This skill has nothing to do with luck, and although the name sounds a little weird, it does have to do with hero level.
              Diabolic* Edict/Demonic Conversion: Just because the hero is not literally a demon does not mean the skill cannot be compared to a demonic act.
              Decrepify: Has to do with reducing movement speed, also related to the word "decrepit" which means old, frail (Decrepify slows, amplifies magical damage).
              Flamebreak: Doesn't mean you are breaking flames, it means you are breaking something with flames.
              Macropyre: Macro = big, and "big pyre" perfectly describes the skill. Just because there isn't a "micropyre" for comparison doesn't mean anything.
              Exorcism: Exorcism = to force evil spirits out of someone. Krobelus performs an exorcism on herself by ejecting spirits from herself.
              Light Strike Array: I don't see what's wrong with this name, it is a strike of light (although not really an "array")...but you didn't explain why it doesn't make sense.

              And certain hero names:

              Razor (has nothing to do with blades).
              Lucifer (why bother with the Omniscience, just call it "God").
              Traxex (the all-new Traxex 4WD radio-controlled buggy).
              Jakiro (Spider-Man vs Jakiro, out now!).
              "Omniknight" (as opposed to singular knight?).
              Razor: If you read his Dota 1 lore, it says that lightning cuts like a blade.
              Lucifer: Your explanation doesn't even make sense.
              Traxex: ...What?
              Jakiro: .....What??

              It is perfectly acceptable that Icefrog occasionally misses the mark because he is only one guy, but Valve is supposed to have people working for them specifically to write lore and enforce a coherent universe.
              However, they can't change the original hero/skill names too much, or people will get confused.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Arxos View Post
                Regarding the spells you're quite correct, though apart from Amplify Damage, Demonic Edict and Demonic Conversion I don't really regard them as real issues.
                Add Exorcism to that list and give priority to Decrepify, whose name is actively misleading because what is really does is Etherealize. The only reason why it is called Decrepify is because there was a Diablo 2 skill by that name. I suppose you are right that the other skill names are not pretty but functional and the hero names are acceptable (other than the retarded Razor).

                Valve care about worldcrafting a lot, and right now there is a very noticeable fissure between Valve lore and Icefrog lore. There is Lucifer on one hand and the bell of Vashundol on the other. It just seems to lack the usual Valve coherence.

                Originally posted by Arxos View Post
                Omniknight is just a mix between the Omniscience and a Knight. Regard it as a special title given to the highest ranking Knight in the order serving the Omniscience. Again, you're overthinking it.
                I actually think the Valve writers salvaged that one nicely. What the hell do you do with "Purist the Omniknight"? Bless the guy who came up with the Omniscience idea.

                Originally posted by Arxos View Post
                He's not a demon in DotA 2. His armor is blue.
                If that's armor and not his inexplicable blue skin from the first game, this is a much needed improvement.

                Originally posted by Sol Invictus View Post
                Amplify Damage: Yes, it does amplify damage. Subtracting armor amplifies physical damage.
                It doesn't amplify damage, it subtracts armor. Skill names shouldn't lie.

                Originally posted by Sol Invictus View Post
                Decrepify: Has to do with reducing movement speed, also related to the word "decrepit" which means old, frail (Decrepify slows, amplifies magical damage).
                And being old makes you immune to physical damage? Excuse me while I go push granny out a window.

                Originally posted by Sol Invictus View Post
                Exorcism: Exorcism = to force evil spirits out of someone. Krobelus performs an exorcism on herself by ejecting spirits from herself.
                This explanation seems almost desperate.
                Last edited by Enai Siaion; 03-08-2012, 08:41 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Enai Siaion View Post
                  It doesn't amplify damage, it subtracts armor. Skill names shouldn't lie.
                  Subtracting armor amplifies (physical) damage. Honestly, do you think anyone is going to be tricked into thinking magical damage, for instance, will be amplified? No one reads just the skill name and then makes assumptions about what the skill does.

                  And being old makes you immune to physical damage? Excuse me while I go push granny out a window.
                  True, it's not a perfect fit.

                  This explanation seems almost desperate.
                  What's wrong with it?

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                  • #10
                    @Sol:

                    You work for Valve.
                    You are a highly paid, skilled writer working for a high profile game company.
                    You are asked to come up with a name for a spell that summons a swarm of spirits.
                    Would you come up with "Exorcism"?
                    Would you decide the best name for an armor-reducing spell was a shoehorned Diablo 2 reference?
                    Would you decide to give your demon lord a Final Fantasy spell name?
                    Would you call your ice storm spell "Freezing Field" instead of a variant on ice storm?
                    Would you reread your own lore where it says the hero is some sort of dimensional space anomaly and settle on "Demonic Conversion" anyway?
                    Nope.

                    Valve already renamed stuff to avoid copyright issues - see Lion's spell set, they renamed Impale and Voodoo. They renamed Obsidian Destroyer. Not sure why they would risk people thinking it was their brilliant idea to make old people invulnerable, or that Icefrog's sought-after skills extend to spell names.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Enai Siaion View Post
                      Valve already renamed stuff to avoid copyright issues - see Lion's spell set, they renamed Impale and Voodoo. They renamed Obsidian Destroyer. Not sure why they would risk people thinking it was their brilliant idea to make old people invulnerable, or that Icefrog's sought-after skills extend to spell names.
                      As I said earlier, they cannot change too much, because many people coming from Dota 1 are familiar with the old spell names. There could be confusion if, for example, you referred to a renamed skill by its old name, but a new player who hasn't played Dota 1 only knows the new name.

                      Stuff like Voodoo --> Hex or Impale --> Earth Spike isn't a big deal; people referred to the Voodoo skill as hex anyways, and in the case of Impale, people usually just say "stun", plus "Earth Spike" is a good and intuitive name. But for a skill like Decrepify, there's not really a suitable alternative name that wouldn't cause confusion.

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                      • #12
                        Agree to adding Exorcism to the list of names that aught to be changed. Same for Freezing Field (kinda forgot what spell this thread started with!)

                        One thing I want to correct though is Diabolic Edict, I forgot about it in my previous post but it's Diabolic, not Demonic. Diabolic is often associated with devils but it's not exclusive to, so it's not too bad. If anything the question should be why Leshrac's Diabolic Edict and Pulse Nova don't follow his characters design. Why do 2 of his abilities use a pure form of magical energy when he's supposed to represent the corruption of nature?

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                        • #13
                          Yeah, Leshrac's Diabolic Edict name itself... associates with different things than it should and also nor does it, nor does Pulse Nova match his own lore, so it feels a bit weird.
                          Furthermore, Pulse Nova doesn't actually send out real pulses, Leshrac just starts shining and hitting enemies in pulse-like damage.
                          Brainwashing people is fun.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Enai Siaion View Post
                            This explanation seems almost desperate.
                            No, it doesn't sound desperate, his answer is pretty accurate and legit. Everyone can clearly understand that the Death Prophet has several demons insider her (which she calls them by "my sweeties"). When she needs their help, she will exorcise herself, what's so confusing about that? What do you think she does?
                            Fix how reconnection works now!

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                            • #15
                              Whats the problem with exorcism?

                              Exorcism = "freeing" demons. That is exactly what she does. Exorcism doesn't have to be some holy stuff, you can liberate them for the evil too

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