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[Suggestion] Dota like online poker

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  • #31
    T-up for this nice OP ) like the idea
    >Click< here to make a clicking sound.

    Overall average (K+A)/D and K/D tracker, and a MMR solution?

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    • #32
      I would absolutely love an automated tournament system. You could really handle everything in the client including brackets and spectator options through dota2tv.

      But I would not make this with real money. Maybe some ingame "goodies" (achievements or maybe some of the ingame items). This should not be something for pro-teams but for amateur teams that like some competition and want to see how good they might be.

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      • #33
        This really sounds awesome!
        Maybe not with real money, but one could introduce something like "Tournament Points". Special Skins/Items/HATS could only be obtained through playing those Tournaments.

        This would be absolutely awesome, really!

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        • #34
          Great idea!

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          • #35
            Hi guys,

            This is EXACTLY what z33k.com. It is a tournament hosting site where anyone can go online and host a tournament. It takes maybe 10 minutes to set up (most of the time you are writing rules). It takes teams a few minutes to register. The brackets are done automatically. Players report their results directly on the brackets (which get updated automatically). Everything is simple and easy to use.

            I encourage anyone interested in trying to host Dota2 tournaments to use it (or at least contact me and we can talk about how z33k.com can help you).

            Here's an example of a tournament which I am running myself: http://www.z33k.com/games/dota2/tour...ota-2-weekly-1

            If anyone has questions or suggestions, contact me: [email protected]

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            • #36
              http://playhem.com/

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              • #37
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                • #38
                  Great Idea! I like it.

                  Also, just a quick note about the people talking about "DOTA points" or "Coins" or whatever. Traditionally, Valve has resisted any sort of 'in-game' currency other than real actual dollars. I saw an interview (I believe with Gabe) where he said that they did not do it due to the agitation/confusion it caused the customer. If they do this, it would almost definitely use real money.

                  That said, real-life dota (and esports) tournaments seem to have no problem with entry fees and cash prizes. I am not a lawyer, but I don't see why there should be a difference between that and a digital tournament.

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                  • #39
                    !support

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                    • #40
                      best idea ever. i mean it. i loved it.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Nemozini View Post
                        It just happens casino games are based themselves on luck (more specifically statistics to rip you off on average) , no influence , lots of lights , carpets and security. Doesn't mean if Dota 2 + OP suggestion missed any of these makes it not gambling. I clearly agreed that Dota 2 is NOT a game of chance. but the system encapsulating Dota 2 suggested by OP is a system of uncertainty. whether it is using Dota 2 or any other video game. OP system is based on spending real money for a chance to win something valued in real money where the outcome is uncertain to the players. If you are certain of the outcome of the Dota 2 "poker" tournament , maybe I need to add you to my friend list .

                        goes with 0 - You are throwing your money.

                        You can put all the work and effort you want in the match , but the outcome would be uncertain when you first paid your money. Only Chuck Norris can enter a tournament and be certain of the outcome.

                        Never said trading is gambling. Trading is 0 or 1. You either get something or get nothing in return and you should be certain of the trade outcome. unless of course you getting scammed for not using Steam Trade. In all your examples , both parties are certain of the end result.
                        You are not seeing how things work.

                        What you just said basically meant everything that involves entry fee = gambling.

                        The tournament that Razer organised for Dota 2 with a $10 entry fee in late February? Gambling.
                        The tournament called ESWC? Gambling.
                        The tournament called WDC? Gambling.

                        IGN's Starcraft 2 IPL? Gambling. Entry fee $30+
                        KeSPA and GOMTV Starcraft 2? Gambling.

                        By your logic, everything is gambling unless the team that put down the entry fee is 100% sure and 100% will win the tournament.

                        Which brings me to the point, the major event called Olympics? Gambling. Countries gamble for pride and glory, they spend millions training their athletes and registering with the Olympic committee.


                        You see how your gambling definition does not make sense? You only deals with "YES" and "NO", absolutes. That is your interpretation of what is considered gambling and whats not.

                        Im telling you if a player can influence the event, it is no longer UNCERTAIN, it is partially certain/uncertain.
                        In fact, a player can influence the event in such a way that an outcome is certain by AFKing and losing the game intentionally, which would mean it is no longer Gambling, because luck cannot stop that player from losing.
                        Gambling means that Luck still has a chance to let that player win even if he AFKs the whole game.


                        Casino is Gambling because its like rolling a dice, except that the dice is slightly rigged to make you lose, so that the odds are in their favour. However, its UNCERTAIN because the dice can still net you a win and, THE BIGGEST AND OF ALL, you have NO WAY OF INFLUENCING THE DICE.
                        Poker is a game of skill, but due to its nature, its classified as gambling legally by countries to limit its vice. Otherwise, it is a game of skill too, and players can influence it.

                        Lastly, to do the OP justice:
                        Originally posted by Nemozini View Post
                        Doesn't mean if Dota 2 + OP suggestion missed any of these makes it not gambling. I clearly agreed that Dota 2 is NOT a game of chance. but the system encapsulating Dota 2 suggested by OP is a system of uncertainty. whether it is using Dota 2 or any other video game. OP system is based on spending real money for a chance to win something valued in real money where the outcome is uncertain to the players.
                        Originally posted by teuz View Post
                        And there is of course place for Valve. If there is a 50$ prize pool in 1$ entry fee, then lets share it between teams, of course. 30$ per first place, 10$ for second place, 5$ for third... and 5$ to Valve. They can take, lets say 10% per tournament, or 1%, or whatever. What interesting, is this way they could solve some issues with monetizing DOTA2.
                        Anyway, from my perspective, this would be a great chance for average players to try make something more from our hobby and (just a little ;]) addiction.
                        Im not sure how you interpret his idea, but the way you interpret it basically meant all the ESports tournaments from Year 2002 till now is Gambling, since they all require entry fee.
                        Last edited by d.phoenixxx; 03-29-2012, 12:07 PM.
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                        • #42
                          Depending on what country you are from this would be gambling. It doesn't matter how you twist and turn it.
                          Can't say that i like that but this thread will be soon at page 20 and everybody hoping for a win. The Bank always wins.

                          Gambling - European Commission

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                          • #43
                            I see , very interesting,It would be awesome if this could become real...

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by abc0815 View Post
                              Depending on what country you are from this would be gambling. It doesn't matter how you twist and turn it.
                              Can't say that i like that but this thread will be soon at page 20 and everybody hoping for a win. The Bank always wins.

                              Gambling - European Commission
                              Do you know why countries treat gambling as such?

                              Its because gambling is a form of revenue that they cannot tax from. If it could be taxed from, it will be legalized.

                              Furthermore, there is the societal impact.
                              A gambler could become addicted because of the luck factor because he believes he can get lucky.
                              A person joining a Dota 2 tournament with entry fee cannot. You dont win a Dota 2 tournament by being lucky. You win it by playing better than others.
                              He's the hero this community deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt his identity, because he can take it, because he's not our hero. He's a silent buffer, a watchful nerfer. An IceFrog.

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                              • #45
                                This is actually not a bad idea... However does this mean all pro-players will suddenly get rich?

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