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    Hello,

    first of all, sorry that i will be a bit naive but i am new to dota 2 (old dota quite a lot and currently starcraft II on solid level). I will write this based on just playing, i havent searched on forums or anything. Wanted to provide feedback as a casual player.
    The game is in beta, but still.... i just came here to actually suggest any matchmaking system and there is any? I mean... really?

    If it is, its pretty useless as far as i can speak.

    Likes:
    We noticed it put cooperating parties against, thats great. Party with some teamspeak usually rape random 5 people easily.
    Well,that was all to be honest.

    Dislikes:
    As a solo player i HAVENT noticed any matchmaking yet. I play with players who are significantly worse than me. On the other hand with also better players, skill span is incredible (compared for example with SCII where divisions work really good).
    It should not be only about level (which in fact says only how many games of dota2 you played so far). It should also count (at least) simple win/loose ratio.
    There is no doubt you will wait 1 minute longer to get in game with more appropriate team(s).

    I am not sure if it belongs here, but it is related to matchmaking.

    Leavers! Yes, it is here again. Biggest pain of this type of games. I was really looking forward to dota 2 because of this. And i am SO dissapointed.
    You leave and what happends? I tried it.... more or less nothing, you are in low priority player pool = you will find game 1 minute longer = joke.
    1) You cant report leavers? I mean... really?
    2) I would expect at least 1 hour tempban after you get enough reports + accumulating this punishment during some period when you are "under scope" lets say week or anything.

    I leave and i can instantly start finding another game.... no way!

    3) I didnt want to mention it (at least not here) but as i see previous speakers... servers.
    I play on EU server and there are russian people everywhere. That is weird, because they have OWN whole server. Ok, they are usually pretty bad (or pretty good), but we wont hate people, because they are noobs, right? Ok!
    Here is the thing. 2/3 of them, maybe more, doesnt speak a WORD english. I write go top in chat and he literally start replying in azbuka. And this happens in 4/5 games on Europe server. When they have their OWN server for themselves. I am not sure if i should cry or laugh because of that. And i discussed this with frew friends.. they all share my oppinion exactly! I even see this in chat from other people. The message starts to crystalize more and more clear... EU server is NOT RU server. I undestand there are not that many players, but i can imagine you to divide it lately (again normal thing in starcraft and most of the casual players dont have more acc. than on their "home" server, but its not for free). This is not racism guys, this is just fact. It simply doesnt happen when we play with other EU players. To be more precise, not that ofter, i am tolerant, but everything has (or should have) some limit.
    Last edited by maXX_CZ; 10-09-2012, 03:14 AM.

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    • Match ID: 47936329

      Me and my friend queuing, and we 2 Greeks, that speak english in a good level + 3 russian feeders that speak only russian and saying Yebani sluha in the voice chat.

      Thx valve 3d match in a row with tards. I go for the 4th one.

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      • Dear Developers hello.
        You sometimes reading this topic? Post anything if you reading this.
        Please show us that we talk not to a wall!

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        • Originally posted by Infer View Post
          Well fuck me in the ass and call me Cindy, this must be some god damn matchmaking algorithm that Valve has been shoving down our throats, because I am indeed amazed at how negative it is, at how many cons does it have, I mean, this must be the most insanely complex algorithm that has ever been made, thing is so complex that it has more negativity than not having a god damn matchmaking system at all

          If it has more negative sides the more complex it is, then sure as fuck this must be some crazy complex algorithm, to the point that it's so complex that it has more problems than a matchmaking algorithm that doesn't even exist, like Wc3's, I mean, it does clearly function the exact way it should, how do we know this? Because it has been proven by you with that post, that is! It's pretty obvious that I deserve to have a 48% winrate thanks to my foreign teammates that spam the chat with "noob" and "ur mom is noob", just because I am foolish enough to believe I should waste my time supporting for a bunch of retards that should be purged from this shithole of a system that you dare call matchmaking, it's pretty obvious, I mean, I just have to pick Bloodseeker, call solo mid, curbstomp the enemy's retarded solomid choice, then proceed to assrape everybody by having a gigantic xpm or lvl advantage, and some gpm or farm that reminds you of playing against bots on Easy, because I clearly should be able to pull of treads, midas and radiance in less than 20 minutes, while against people of my own skill-level, it clearly doesn't mean that I either: Incredibly surpass their skill-level, or that I probably shouldn't be assraping a 5 man team as the hero that was nicknamed "Pubseeker" instead of "Bloodseeker" because of how supposedly useless he is, when techies is added, I'll do some retarded shit like starting with a null, going mid, destroying it and carrying with some retarded thing like ONLY STATS techies that autoattacks people instead of using his mines to damage the heroes, afterwards people will still somehow manage to tell me, while keeping a straight face and not bursting of laughter, that the matchmaking system is working the way it should, and that it clearly matched me with people of my own skill-level, I am not better than then, nor are they of an skill-level reminiscent of somebody that's playing his first month of DotA and has never in his life read any sort of guides, nor even attempted to read anything about any other hero, or items, or skills, so the guy just got the game, downloaded and installed, then instantly ran into matchmaking while chanting "YOLO" and playing Dubstep on full blast through his headphones/massive stereo. That's what it feels like playing with these people
          I feel you bro. I had 4.5* rubick till last game. Last game i played him really well, stealing important ultimates, got drum, force staff, hex. We won the game, my score was 5-5-15. Why the hell i got my performance rate dropped? What the hell does that mean? That i suddenly became worse with him? So the system will put me lower in matchmaking for the next game?
          Thats a bullshit.

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          • I know this sounds less than a good way to solve the issue, but along with a better MM system we should get a player banning/evasion system. I finish a game with 2-3-4 buffoons, then press Find and to my surprise...VOILA...1 or 2 of the same players who just wrecked the last game are in the current game. I'm sick and tired of seeing the same kamikaze no_info_or_skills_whatsoever players. I want to be a able to ban/evade them so that next time I don't get put in the same game they're in.

            I like to pop into a bot game now and then and teach newcomers how to play, it's really rewarding and fun. I have to say, I've had more fun in 5 bot games than in my last 50 MM games.

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            • I am not a good DotA player, hell i am not a DotA player at all and Dota 2 is my first MOBA game. I have started playing two months ago or so. First three games i have failed horribly and realized that i must learn a lot if i actually want to play this game. I was reading guides, watching streams\spectating games and playing only against bots for a month or so. And then i have tried to play against people.

              Well, i have no words to describe all the terrors of soloqueue but i think most of the people here are familiar with them. But what i have realized after only 20 games is the following scheme: If i am being placed into a high bracket i usually win, but when placed into a low bracket the only thing that can help me is a bloody sacrifice to almighty gods of rng. But this is not the case. The problem is:

              1st game. High Bracket: Win a game, stomp enemies horribly. (teamkills 50:20, 30 of team kills are mine)
              2nd game. LOW BRACKET: Win a lane, lose the game. (teamkills 6:30, 5 of the teamkills are mine)
              3nd game. HIGH BRACKET. Win a game, stomp enemies horribly. (teamkills 50:20, 30 of team kills are mine)
              4th game. LOW BRACKET: Win a lane, lose the game. (teamkills 6:30, 5 of the teamkills are mine)

              Can please somebody explain me why after a WIN instead of putting me into a higher bracket matchmaking is putting me into a lower bracket again and again until i lose? And when i lose a low bracket game it puts me into a high bracket? Seems like the matchmaking is punishing me for winning and rewards my loses...

              This is my account: https://dotabuff.com/players/108664159/matches

              ib4 anything, I am not a good player and never claimed to be one. But how i am supposed to find a team or at least few people to play with if all the teams are looking for support players and in pubs you are forced to play hard carry if you want to have at least 50% winrate? I want to play Jakiro and Venomancer, instead i must play Huskar and Pubseeker. I can not learn anything from playing these heroes or against them, i can not learn nothing from watching streams anymore cos i got the theory, i need an experience but due to matchmaking being so horribly bad (and this is just a BETA, can not imagine what will be happening here when everyone will be having an access to a game) all i am getting is one sided games one after another.

              Sorry for my english and for my attitude. I am a bit frustrated after stomping another game, i bet in the next game my team will be stomped because i do not wont to pick Lanaya anymore.
              Originally posted by Vasilev
              You're not matched vs better enemies when you win, you're matched with worse allies.

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              • Originally posted by Kalagar View Post
                I know this sounds less than a good way to solve the issue, but along with a better MM system we should get a player banning/evasion system. I finish a game with 2-3-4 buffoons, then press Find and to my surprise...VOILA...1 or 2 of the same players who just wrecked the last game are in the current game. I'm sick and tired of seeing the same kamikaze no_info_or_skills_whatsoever players. I want to be a able to ban/evade them so that next time I don't get put in the same game they're in.

                I like to pop into a bot game now and then and teach newcomers how to play, it's really rewarding and fun. I have to say, I've had more fun in 5 bot games than in my last 50 MM games.
                True. Those problems go side by side. And should be solved in complex.

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                • Originally posted by bacurbacur View Post
                  Can please somebody explain me why after a WIN instead of putting me into a higher bracket matchmaking is putting me into a lower bracket again and again until i lose? And when i lose a low bracket game it puts me into a high bracket? Seems like the matchmaking is punishing me for winning and rewards my loses...
                  The game is balanced around a 50-50 win ratio. After a few wins, the game has decided it's no longer fair for you to keep winning and sticks you with bad people in order to "balance things out." This is the general shared complaint of the last 20+ pages.

                  Dear Developers hello.
                  You sometimes reading this topic? Post anything if you reading this.
                  Please show us that we talk not to a wall!
                  This is most likely going to be the constant complaint FOR the next 100 pages as well until someone at Valve steps up and shows that there's more to this game than a constant knuckle-dragging see-saw of wins/losses that results in the player feeling like they're never going to accomplish anything.

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                  • Originally posted by Tyrith View Post
                    The game is balanced around a 50-50 win ratio. After a few wins, the game has decided it's no longer fair for you to keep winning and sticks you with bad people in order to "balance things out." This is the general shared complaint of the last 20+ pages.



                    This is most likely going to be the constant complaint FOR the next 100 pages as well until someone at Valve steps up and shows that there's more to this game than a constant knuckle-dragging see-saw of wins/losses that results in the player feeling like they're never going to accomplish anything.
                    That reply is...

                    NOT TRUE
                    Why we don't stop trolls?
                    If you see a player feeding, abusing skills or talking garbage just ignore him and soon he will fall in his own trap.

                    Ignore trolls make the dota 2 community a better game.

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                    • It's one thing to win games and lose games, but the current way the system is sending you on loss streaks is going to turn a lot of people off from playing the game.

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                      • I'm tired of losing games since 3 updates or so, like seriously.

                        In something that I could say around 18 games, I only won 4, and usually I was the best in my team. Sometimes even my score was pretty decent, even though my team lost.

                        Did some research around Dotabuff, taking a look at some pub matches Pros had lately, also noticed they've been losing MUCH more than winning.

                        This MM is pretty bad now, and needs to be reworked, I seriously don't know what you did, but every single match now, I have really bad team mates, and out of those few I won, one of them I had to stack a 5 men party to win, which is pretty bad.

                        EDIT: Look at this, it's pretty ridiculous: https://dotabuff.com/players/28436932/matches

                        I used to have a 49% W/L ratio before this retarded loss streak.

                        Best example of what I'm talking about, take a look at those Matches (those 3 matches were in a row by the way):

                        https://dotabuff.com/matches/45258507
                        https://dotabuff.com/matches/44952640
                        https://dotabuff.com/matches/44941143

                        I think it's pretty obvious the game has been matching with players that aren't really decent at all.
                        Last edited by HotZin; 10-09-2012, 03:22 PM.

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                        • It realy feels like if you dont get 5 ppl then you will not enjoy it.
                          This system punishes so hard, win win win then loose loose loose ... thats bullshit!
                          Originally posted by Ttempest
                          Duh... its the IceFrog dude. Kinda like Chuck Norris just in Dota.

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                          • Originally posted by bacurbacur View Post
                            Can please somebody explain me why after a WIN instead of putting me into a higher bracket matchmaking is putting me into a lower bracket again and again until i lose? And when i lose a low bracket game it puts me into a high bracket? Seems like the matchmaking is punishing me for winning and rewards my loses...

                            Let says both teams need average MMR score or 1500 to get in High Bracket in the search engine.

                            Let's say your score is exactly 1500.

                            If your the best player in the game then your game will be played in normal (1500=You, 1499, 1499, 1499,1499 is the rest of your team)

                            If your the worst player in the game then you game will be played in high (1500=You, 1501,1501,1051,1051 is the rest of your team.)

                            You win a game so your score in 1515 but since you have the highest MMR in the next game (1515 you, 1490,1490,1490,1490 rest of team.) your still under the average.

                            You lose 4 games in a row dropping to 1480 MMR but in the next game you have the lowest MMR on your team (1480 you, 1510, 1510,1510,1510 rest of team.) now your in high.

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                            • Originally posted by Hobbax View Post
                              That reply is...

                              NOT TRUE
                              Could you explain why the majority of top level pro players have 50-55% ratio's? I'm talking people that have played over 10,000+ hours of DotA/DotA 2. Are they just not good enough to get over that big losing streak they always get? Do they need to stack up with better players to carry them?

                              If your teammates get worse for you winning, and get better when you're losing, I would appreciate any insight/explanations as to how the matchmaking is NOT trying to force a 50-50 winratio on you.

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                              • Originally posted by Tyrith View Post
                                Could you explain why the majority of top level pro players have 50-55% ratio's? I'm talking people that have played over 10,000+ hours of DotA/DotA 2. Are they just not good enough to get over that big losing streak they always get? Do they need to stack up with better players to carry them?

                                If your teammates get worse for you winning, and get better when you're losing, I would appreciate any insight/explanations as to how the matchmaking is NOT trying to force a 50-50 winratio on you.
                                Even better, notice how players with a really high Win ratio, play most of their matches in a full card party:

                                https://dotabuff.com/players

                                Pretty ridiculous and unbalanced.

                                There needs to be player Tiering, not stupid mixing. This game is all about having the best team possible, and soon as you bring a party system to the table, but makes it so it tries to get low skilled players into your team for balancing, just means it is plain broken.

                                The matchmaking needs to match good people with good people, against good people, and bad people with bad people, against bad people, not mix them all together.

                                This game ain't a FPS, where you can win by plain skill. It does require skill, but more than anything, concentrated farming, which means, as soon as a team gets farmed better than the other, chances are pretty slim that the other team will win. MOBAs are the most unforgiving games in existence, so it requires everyone to be at the same level for it to have good matches, and that is why Pro matches are usually entertaining to watch, but not at all at Pubs, since there are rare occasions where a single player can Carry a whole team that is completely outfarmed and feeds.

                                I've heard from people that this will get better once it gets out of beta, since there is going to be a larger amount of players, but to me, that's plain BS, and an excuse to making this game appealing to all forms of skill, which scares me, cause it feels the direction this is going, is the same as mainstream series of other games have gone.

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