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  • because match only me put in games with lvl 1 -2 in matchmaking ( i lvl 18 with 160 wins and 48 % win rate) ?


    PS this is happening to a month!

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    • Originally posted by Release View Post
      I'm fairly certain there's no great conspiracy by Valve to get people to 50%. It's just the luck of the draw as your Elo goes down due to losses through having terrible teammates your placed with better players to level the overall Elo of the game out. Now your Elo is artificially low due to the aforementioned terrible teammates you win more games because your contributing much more than your lower Elo would suggest. A fundamental flaw in my opinion of the entire system itself.

      I simply think they wont show visible MMR because then people could truly and clearly see the massive amount of skill discrepancy that exists in every game we play. Lets say for a moment that for a game to be ranked as Very High it must hit 20,000 Elo as a minimum between 10 players. I have a feeling you would often see two players at 2.5k elo playing with three people at around 1.5k to get to 10,000 per team. If this thread is bad they know full well what would happen if people Really saw just how shitty their mm skill division is.

      The ways to solve this is to force the MM system to reach 25,000 Elo for a Very High skilled game with a minimum individual skill of 2000 per player and so on. The reason I think this doesn't happen currently is queue times and issues with pre mades of varied ranking. Basically this utterly gamebreaking MM is fixable but Valve probably consider this system as a decent enough placeholder while they create new modes like Diretide and new items to sell in the shop.
      Very good analysis buddy.

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      • Release, your analysis is spot on, this is exactly what I feel the problem with MM is. Most supporters of MM (and there don't seem to be a lot) seem to think people complain about low win rates, or only about losses, but that's not the case. The problem with MM is the frequency of imbalanced games, both wins AND losses. Most games are decided by which team gets 1 or 2 players that have no business being in that game. The range of ELO/skill within which all players in a game must fall feels far too large.

        I just made a new account and chose the highest skill level when I started out. My win rate is currently sitting over 50%, so I certainly am not going to complain about losing too much. What I have a problem with is the absurdly poor quality of games. I had a game where I laned with brood as my ally. He just sat there, in invis, throughout the laning phase, only using his nuke on creeps to make spiderlings, which he didnt even use. We had multiple gank opportunities which we didn't take because he was braindead or something. He ended a 50 minute game with just treads and vlads and a score of 1-20. All throughout the game, whenever one of us told him to do something, he would reply either with "you are STUPID" or "i am ASS FUCK UR FAMILY".

        A win I had, two good players on my team (me and one more), two average players, and an utterly newb SK. Started out with bottle, all he did was use his sandstorm spell in lane, never used stun. Items for him: phase, vanguard, perseverance. Not a single good ult landed in game. Constantly pushing across river alone and dying. Never retreating when he sees he's alone 1v5. This was balanced by the fact that the opposing team had two just as bad players. Since they had two and us one, we ended up winning. Sure I got a lot of farms and kills, but it was a terribly unfun game.

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        • How can we go from 63051747 this game, with these team mates to this game 63067565 with these team mates, but still be in 'very high skill' ?

          Going from a 3 stack of NS, XBOCT, AA to 3 people who had no idea how to lane, what hero skills are, how to ward or zone out enemies, no idea about common courtesy, causing grief and ruining the game from beginning to end.

          Why does this happen.

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          • Originally posted by durkadurka View Post
            How can we go from 63051747 this game, with these team mates to this game 63067565 with these team mates, but still be in 'very high skill' ?

            Going from a 3 stack of NS, XBOCT, AA to 3 people who had no idea how to lane, what hero skills are, how to ward or zone out enemies, no idea about common courtesy, causing grief and ruining the game from beginning to end.

            Why does this happen.
            I'm having the same problem on a daily basis. It's made me stop wanting to play the game. Something seriously needs to be done.

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            • https://dotabuff.com/players/31909970/matches

              But i get it, rock solid 50% WR would be too obvious.

              Wargaming has its MM even more or as sophisticated, realy bad players and afk bots were at the same wr bottom as this guy, good f2p players had wr cap at 53%, good paying players had it at 56%. Someone has to lose so that someone else (and more valuable for the company) can win and have fun. Valve or Wargaming ain't no charity guys, it's still just a bussines.
              Last edited by realceFrog; 11-15-2012, 07:29 PM.

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              • Originally posted by durkadurka View Post
                How can we go from 63051747 this game, with these team mates to this game 63067565 with these team mates, but still be in 'very high skill' ?

                Going from a 3 stack of NS, XBOCT, AA to 3 people who had no idea how to lane, what hero skills are, how to ward or zone out enemies, no idea about common courtesy, causing grief and ruining the game from beginning to end.

                Why does this happen.
                You and batrider were the lowest win rate guys there. Both of you have 49% win rate.
                Every opponent has 54%+ as minimum.
                I wouldn't call this match that uneven. Just the stack of 3 professional players is too good for any public game. So you got carried in that game. Congratz.

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                • Originally posted by mr.ioes View Post
                  Any Valve employee that thinks the russian issue isn't really noteworthy, take a look at the teamchat in this game: 62823833
                  Just look at how irrational and detremental russian players are. Yes, 'are'. It's not about a language barrier - they both could talk english quite well. It's about them not giving a fuck about common courtesy, human behaviour and mentality.
                  "the game has no visible rating.
                  who the fck cares whenever you win or lose?"

                  that's what a developer would most likely answer but in a more sugar coated way.
                  they only care about the highest of the highest tiers, all the others are getting told "Get a competitive team that is able to play together at least 16 hours a day and join high-ranked tournaments that we actually care about or gtfo and play with randoms"

                  also, russians aren't the problem.
                  not having a visible ranking that works with winning games is the major problem.
                  In HoN, people started playing more decent between 1700 or 1800+ because they had to act normal and play good to climb higher on the ladder.

                  Here in dota2, no matter how often you win, nothing changes, in the worst case it can get even worse. Wins don't count here, instead, they count GPM and KD und stuff that doesn't matter. The game is about winning not having good statistics.
                  Last edited by ranaki; 11-15-2012, 11:36 AM.
                  Never underestimate the power of the masses.

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                  • At the moment is IMPOSSIBLE to play the game alone. If you don't stack at least 3 people, you are paired with trolls, feeders, or with people with too much disparity in playing level.

                    Hope Valve fixes this soon, since the game is just perfect for me in any other aspects.
                    Since last beta give away, it just sucks.

                    Last 2 games:
                    ID 63225689 -- Slardar troll
                    ID 62989293 -- 3 newbie premades in my team vs. 3 trihards(trilane rubick. leshrac, Undying)

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                    • I just won 7 games in a row.

                      The game I played this evening I told my team from the start the chances of us losing was high because I haven't lost for a while.

                      We lost.

                      The enemy team had players with double the wins of each player on my team.

                      Wins do mean something. (If he has 400 wins then either he has 400 hours and never loses, or loses more but has 900 hours and still more experience than me.)

                      My question is that if I go on a win streak will the matchmaking try to make me lose to keep me at 50% win rate, by pairing me with inexperienced (compared to the enemy team) players?

                      If so. That's not rewarding at all please change it.

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                      • lost all faith in this motherfucking terrible matchmaking crap SHIT GAME AFTER SHIT GAME
                        ,,There is no need to have a patch-anticipation-thread one week early, filled with high expectations,,

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                        • Today matchmaking is a joke with every new hero and im talking about the season, on how people play slark horrible, we will go to over 3,000 post and theres over 2000 dislikes and 500 likes and most likes explain no sense things.
                          Why we don't stop trolls?
                          If you see a player feeding, abusing skills or talking garbage just ignore him and soon he will fall in his own trap.

                          Ignore trolls make the dota 2 community a better game.

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                          • That and the fact the valve has done nothing, and told us nothing about how the MM works, check out planet side 2, there devs actually listen to what the player base wants, and its coming up to be quite the successful game.

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                            • Do you even understand that no one is reading this fucking thread? As long as posts are not reported for something by other users you may write a story of how you are killing kittens on a daily basis, skin them, put their little bloody bodies on your dick and jerk off. Valve just do not give a fuck.

                              Was not playing dota2 for a month (29 days to be exact) and i am oh so happy about it.
                              Originally posted by Vasilev
                              You're not matched vs better enemies when you win, you're matched with worse allies.

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                              • is it just me or has the MM just gotten like 10 times worse the last few weeks?

                                seems like you either completely dominate or just completely loose nowadays.
                                was a lot better like 3, 4 weeks ago.

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