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The great "new roles" thread

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  • The great "new roles" thread

    Since I suppose a lot of people will have comments on it, I figured a thread might be needed for gathering feedback on the new roles added to the learn tab.

    A few things I noticed off the bat:

    - Obvious localization error in the dropdown menu
    - No spaces between the commas separating different roles of the heroes, supposedly to make them fit in
    - Some still don't fit in, especially Venge's "bab" role looks funny
    - Is tank really a role?
    - Typo where it says "Role" even for heroes with multiple roles.

    A few notes on the heroes:

    - Lone Druid should be a jungler?
    - Brewmaster should be an initiator?
    - Lock shouldn't be a babysitter?
    - Pugna shouldn't only be a pusher?
    - Silencer is not an initiator?
    - Tinker should be a carry?
    - Bane should be a roamer?
    - Death prophet and arguably Necrolyte are not supports?
    - I DONT LIKE ENCH CARRIES T_T

    More comments/suggestions:

    - Roamers are heroes that run around ganking from level 1 or 2 on. Heroes that can gank a lot from level 6 on (Beastmaster, Bounty f.e.) should be labeled as gankers.

    When it comes to "tank heroes" I must say thats a tough question. Sure, you might build some heroes to buff their HP's but calling them Tanks is taking away too much from their true roles in my opinion. People coming from games where tanks ONLY build HP will get confused by this, whereas "carry" or "initiator" are more defining. This is just my personal view and highly debatable.

    That's it for now, fill in what you think about the new roles.
    Last edited by chojje; 04-18-2012, 06:06 PM.

  • #2
    lone druid can be a jungler, brewmaster with dagger + thunder + split initiates nicely etc. what's the problem?

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    • #3
      -Lone Druid can jungle pretty well, yes.
      -Heroes that can soak up a lot of damage and getting away with it can be considered tanky.
      -Brewmaster is frequently played with Blink Dagger, making him good at initiating fights with blink->clap->ulti->Stun/Cyclone
      -Warlock's heal makes him a good babysitter if you feel like skilling it
      -There is no other role currently available that would fit him. Only "Anti-Caster" would fit for him besides Pusher.
      -Meh, more a Counter Initiator
      -Tinker with full gear outcarries a lot of enemies due to permanent manta style illusions and hex.
      -Bane isn't highlighted as Roamer for me.
      -Enchantress can carry with her insane damage potential from the ultimate.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by BLABLAFU View Post
        -Lone Druid can jungle pretty well, yes.
        -Heroes that can soak up a lot of damage and getting away with it can be considered tanky.
        -Brewmaster is frequently played with Blink Dagger, making him good at initiating fights with blink->clap->ulti->Stun/Cyclone
        -Warlock's heal makes him a good babysitter if you feel like skilling it
        -There is no other role currently available that would fit him. Only "Anti-Caster" would fit for him besides Pusher.
        -Meh, more a Counter Initiator
        -Tinker with full gear outcarries a lot of enemies due to permanent manta style illusions and hex.
        -Bane isn't highlighted as Roamer for me.
        -Enchantress can carry with her insane damage potential from the ultimate.
        I think you misinterpreted my points, as I agree with you on each point but enchantress and two where I guess most people will have different views. I will edit to clarify.

        Originally posted by Bednar87 View Post
        lone druid can be a jungler, brewmaster with dagger + thunder + split initiates nicely etc. what's the problem?
        The problem is that they're not called what I suggested they should be. I updated my previous post to clarify.
        Last edited by chojje; 04-18-2012, 05:52 PM.

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        • #5
          Right...realized that you were making suggestions rather than doing critic on hero role distribution.

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          • #6
            i don't like the tank listing. i think it's dumb.

            also, roles need to be spaced after the comma, and since there's multiples, need to add an s to the end of Role:

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            • #7
              -Too many Roamers. They don't really know the definition of Roamer, it seems. http://www.playdota.com/learn/roam
              -Too few labeled as Gankers (I think only Shadow Demon at the moment, the rest of the former Gankers are now "Roamers" lol)
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              • #8
                Agreed, Roamers are heroes that run around ganking from level 1 or 2 on. Heroes that can gank a lot from level 6 on (Beastmaster, Bounty f.e.) should be labeled as gankers.

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                • #9
                  Just remove the tank role completely.

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                  • #10
                    Also Death Prophet and Necrolyte ARE NOT SUPPORTS. Fix this please, because that's disgusting when some Earthshaker or Vengeful Spirit says that only i (when i playing prophet) should buy wards etc.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sighma View Post
                      Also Death Prophet and Necrolyte ARE NOT SUPPORTS. Fix this please, because that's disgusting when some Earthshaker or Vengeful Spirit says that only i (when i playing prophet) should buy wards etc.
                      Well they CAN support, not optimal though... but VS babysitting just makes me lol
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                      • #12
                        Yeah tank shouldn't really be a role.

                        I liked the old general roles better than these specific roles.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by thethingexe View Post
                          Yeah tank shouldn't really be a role.

                          I liked the old general roles better than these specific roles.
                          Agreed.

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                          • #14
                            Tank is a term that comes from MMOs... I don't think it really applies to Dota and will only confuse players. I'd scratch it.

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                            • #15
                              Clockwerk, is, a, ganker. How many times do we have to repeat?
                              Heroes this user should seriously reconsider ever picking again.

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