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  • TROLL Warlord?

    I'm aware that this thing has been getting vented on a lot in the past and by various users, but now that they have finished the hero, there are a few lines on Troll Warlord that I think shouldn't be implemented

    In Dota 2 Troll Warlord is supposed to be an unlikable git, who blames others, is greedy and wants to be in charge of everyone; as according to the lore they gave him
    I get that, spent awhile talking about his lore in another thread, and most of his files make it clear what kind of character he is. The problem is that when he has several lines satirizing internet trolls and new players, it makes him as subtle as another troll character: This hero is not supposed to be just as deep and involving as Trundle from League of Legends

    Other troll heroes, like huskar,dazzle,rhasta and witch doctor don't make constant references to being trolls themselves, so why did Valve make it this hero's gimmick? Isn't being an unlikable warlord enough? He has lines that get a free pass, since being full of himself is his thing, like invoker, but they had to add in things about him being a troll specifically?

    Sure, he can go around saying he trolls things and he's the lord of the trolls, but some lines are far less subtle.

    The lines: "Anonymity, the friend of every troll", and "Just try not to feed" are the biggest offenders. The terms make no sense outside of directly referencing anonymous internet trolls and complaining about feeders.
    Anonymity has nothing to do with invisibility, having no name doens't make you invisible.

    The abbreviation of being banished isn't exactly well known which just brings up to question: why doesn't he just say; enjoy your banishment. It's not like he has a small vocubalary and I know he can say it, seems like they just didn't want to put in some more effort in being subtle, in favour of being afraid that people wouldn't get the joke.

    As most of Jah'rakal's other lines talk about him feeding on others, making feeding a positive action, why does he not want his allies not to feed, i.e. get stronger

    This brings up the question on why would he be happy upon losing?
    I know Ogre Magi makes jokes about winning when losing, but he doesn't rejoice about it.Sniper refers to enemy heroes being "gankers" but thats as grey as him having a line straight from Sniper in TF2.
    It just comes down to the same level of calling other players feeders and noobs, and the rejoicing upon losing is another action that trolls do in-game; Feed the enemy and wait till they win, then rejoice upon losing, just to make his teammates angry.


    I know that there are jokes about heroes making referential humour, but it's limited to either videos or Valve's games themselves( i.e. tinker, the "WARDS HERE" lines); they haven't made references to memes or infamous paragraphs in the past.
    For example Lifestealer is not constantly screaming "FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUU-" just because he has a skill called rage. Nor is Undying saying "This isn't even my final form" upon transforming. Mostly beacause they are tasteless and forced, and would just amuse those who are frequently using the internet. They've referenced Shakespeare and H.P.Lovecraft (whether these are classics opinions may vary), but resorting to memes from literature is a definite step back.


    There are lines for heroes that are in the game, yet they aren't used (Bane's blink dagger, aghanim's quotes for heroes that can't use it) and I think that some of troll warlords lines should do the same, the ones in question being:
    "Enjoy your ban." "Anonymity, the friend to every troll."

    Though adding a word could make some lines more tolerable, changing:
    "Just try not to feed" and "Try not to feed" into something like: Just try not feed them and Don't feed the others

    I'm probably asking too much, since I know Valve can't drag a guy to a sound booth just for a re-read; but please either keep these lines from being implemented or alter them and it will all be fine.

    I know there has been dissatisfaction about his lines before and people are still talking about changing Jah'Rakal skin colour, so maybe we can still discuss this.

    Ps. I would add a poll, if I had a clue how to make one.
    Last edited by Godhand; 01-28-2013, 02:57 PM. Reason: Wasn't too tolerant about other lines or clear about the biggest problems.

  • #2
    Why...?
    I mean you don't say why they're not good.

    Personally I don't see why you don't like them. Myself, and many other people like them alot. And these lines are personally very good, "Anonymity, the friend to every troll." that line's a great example of being subtle while still being direct.

    These: And upon losing:"If I had a decent team, this never would have happened." "With this team, I didn't have a chance!" "Why do I always get the worst teams?" "Yes!"
    Really show his personality, and I think are a great attribute. The "Yes!" while losing is pretty funny too.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Plasma Ball View Post
      Why...?
      I mean you don't say why they're not good.

      Personally I don't see why you don't like them. Myself, and many other people like them alot. And these lines are personally very good, "Anonymity, the friend to every troll." that line's a great example of being subtle while still being direct.

      These: And upon losing:"If I had a decent team, this never would have happened." "With this team, I didn't have a chance!" "Why do I always get the worst teams?" "Yes!"
      Really show his personality, and I think are a great attribute. The "Yes!" while losing is pretty funny too.
      Ok maybe, I wans't too clear about it, but the problem was that these lines just broke the 4th wall(were made for self-referential humour), so I'll edit the explanations to the Original post.

      When Troll Warlord started to get added into the game, they found text files regarding his lines/responses; and as excpected there were painfully uncreative jokes breaking the 4th wall, and due to an vocal outrage some of them didn't get added, however it seems some were overlooked in order to hide the worst offenders.

      In Dota 2 Troll Warlord is supposed to be an unlikable git, who blames others, is greedy and wants to be in charge of everyone; as according to the lore they gave him
      I get that, spent awhile talking about his lore in another thread, and most of his files make it clear what kind of character he is.

      The lines: "Anonymity, the friend of every troll", and "Just try not to feed" are the biggest offenders. The terms make no sense outside of directly referencing anonymous internet trolls and complaining about feeders.
      Anonymity has nothing to do with invisibility, having no name doens't make you invisible.
      As most of Jah'rakal's other lines talk about him feeding on others, making feeding a positive action, why does he not want his allies not to feed, i.e. get stronger

      This brings up the question on why would he be happy upon losing? All of his other lines make his personality clear, but when he is directly talking about the game as a match, it just breaks the 4th wall. It just comes down to the same level of calling other players feeders and noobs, and the rejoicing upon losing is another action that trolls do in-game; Feed the enemy and wait till they win, then rejoice upon losing, just to make his teammates angry.

      I know that there are jokes about heroes making referential humour, but it's limited to Valve's games themselves( i.e. tinker, the "WARDS HERE" lines); but when they're making this guy as subtle as Deadpool in terms of breaking the 4th wall, it just puts his other lines into a bad light

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      • #4
        Before release we saw the voice lines in text format and it used to be much, much "worse". His final version we have now is the compromise.
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        • #5
          I know that he used to have lines like: "you mad bro?", "trololo" and "my team is full of noobs", but this compromise seems a little unfinished. The developer team had the chance to make troll jokes on the other heroes before, so why did they decide to give in and put a bunch on this hero?

          It's not like all of his lines are just about trolling and it's been said a thousand times, just because he is a troll it doesn't mean he is an internet troll, most of them are subtle like when he kills someone: "you've been trolled" or "fortune favours the trolled". But the ones I listed in the original post are in the same league of bad as the first draft of his lines.

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          • #6
            because he's the only hero with 'troll' actually in his title/name. and all the lines you list as over the top aren't even hooked up, as we all knew they wouldn't be.

            find something better to do

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            • #7
              Oh god.

              Funny how your issue with this is the meme lines yet you've ironically been talking more about memes than anyone else here.

              It's not like the main focus of the game is memes, it's just little references, there are many references to other games and movies and such but yeah those are ok, but since it's something you personally don't like it's utterly wrong, it's like 10% lines throughout the game and you barely listen to them, I've yet to listen to troll saying any of those lines you complain about... why don't you just shut up and:

              Originally posted by daed
              This is another example as to why the developers should never seriously take in consideration any post on the dev forums.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Banethulhu View Post
                Oh god.

                Funny how your issue with this is the meme lines yet you've ironically been talking more about memes than anyone else here.

                It's not like the main focus of the game is memes, it's just little references, there are many references to other games and movies and such but yeah those are ok, but since it's something you personally don't like it's utterly wrong, it's like 10% lines throughout the game and you barely listen to them, I've yet to listen to troll saying any of those lines you complain about... why don't you just shut up and:

                My point is that the memes, jokes and other forced humour should be kept out of the game and left for the community to make. You see guys on all DotA fansites making comic-strips making fun of the silly thing in the game. If all the heroes started to rely on memes for humour the game would just turn to 9gag.

                I have nothing against comedy, I just don't want it being spoon fed for me using internet in-jokes and putting as little effort into them as possible.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by vladhood View Post
                  because he's the only hero with 'troll' actually in his title/name. and all the lines you list as over the top aren't even hooked up, as we all knew they wouldn't be.

                  find something better to do
                  I'm pretty sure the dev-team had an opportunity to call Jin'zakk "troll batrider"; whether it's because of patents from blizzard or not, they chose not to, and just made him "batrider". They had a chance to call rhasta and the others trolls, they didn't they went with "trowles".

                  But suddenly it seems they decided they would just give into the chance of making easy meme jokes with Troll Warlord, they even went as far as change other heroes races in order to make the jokes work. It's just lazy compared to the subtlety they put in other heroes.

                  I wouldn't be so disappointed if I didn't give a damn.
                  Last edited by Godhand; 01-26-2013, 10:05 AM. Reason: Too many typos

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                  • #10
                    is there something difficult to understand that hes the only hero where 'troll' is in the name/title or about how everything you're complaining about doesn't have a response trigger in game?

                    you are actually complaining about nothing. the only thing that you've said that has any merit or sense is that all the other hero races were changed to 'troll' from trowle or just from not being mentioned at all.

                    and why would batriders name be changed? that was just a confusing thing to say
                    Last edited by vladhood; 01-26-2013, 10:11 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Godhand View Post
                      I'm pretty sure the dev-team had an opportunity to call Jin'zakk "troll batrider"; whether it's because of patents from blizzard or not, they chose not to, and just made him "batrider". They had a chance to call rhasta and the others trolls, they didn't they went with "trowles".
                      They called him simply batrider because he was called Batrider it dota 1, not Troll Batrider, Troll Warlord was the only hero that had Troll in his name, and the only hero people are used to call simply by troll, hence they took advantage of that to make the jokes for him. You're getting annoying, you're not proving any point, you're just arguing the same stuff over and over again, my advice to you: just stop, you're not getting anything out of this.
                      Originally posted by daed
                      This is another example as to why the developers should never seriously take in consideration any post on the dev forums.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Banethulhu View Post
                        They called him simply batrider because he was called Batrider it dota 1, not Troll Batrider, Troll Warlord was the only hero that had Troll in his name, and the only hero people are used to call simply by troll, hence they took advantage of that to make the jokes for him. You're getting annoying, you're not proving any point, you're just arguing the same stuff over and over again, my advice to you: just stop, you're not getting anything out of this.
                        They changed Goblin shredder to Timbersaw probably because of the patent reasons, but when the hero was released the developers could have just as easily made him, tinker, alchemist and clockwerk be called purple goblins instead of keen.

                        Changing other hero's races, just to make jokes on one hero work is just forced, and they didn't even try to be subtle about the jokes.

                        And what's your point supposed to be? That he's called Troll Warlord just because the developers could make him? Are they just going make Pit Lord called Assgalore insead of Azgalor in order to make easy ass-jokes in the future? And that we're all just supposed to accept forced lazily made humour?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by vladhood View Post
                          is there something difficult to understand that hes the only hero where 'troll' is in the name/title or about how everything you're complaining about doesn't have a response trigger in game?

                          you are actually complaining about nothing. the only thing that you've said that has any merit or sense is that all the other hero races were changed to 'troll' from trowle or just from not being mentioned at all.

                          and why would batriders name be changed? that was just a confusing thing to say
                          They could have made him TROWLE Warlord instead TROLL Warlord. They could have included Trowle or Troll into Batriders name, they chose not to.

                          Have you tried to get the lines in game? Cause you can just input commands into a private lobby game in order to do so.

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                          • #14
                            You know what I think? You are aware you lost the argument, but you won't admit defeat (typical internet user) so you just keep coming up with crap excuses instead if just being quiet, and then in the end you're just gonna come up with an excuse like "I was TROLLING all of you this whole time!!!1oneone" but you're just acting like a fool.
                            Originally posted by daed
                            This is another example as to why the developers should never seriously take in consideration any post on the dev forums.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Banethulhu View Post
                              You know what I think? You are aware you lost the argument, but you won't admit defeat (typical internet user) so you just keep coming up with crap excuses instead if just being quiet, and then in the end you're just gonna come up with an excuse like "I was TROLLING all of you this whole time!!!1oneone" but you're just acting like a fool.
                              I know you're just telling me that Valve doesn't care and I'm pretty sure I'm not trolling, but the lenghts to make these things make sense, like someone said "without ever using the internet" is just baffling.

                              I think that you're just as mad as me that the developers let these things slide, but you're willing to look over them because you're pretty sure they're gonna make the tone even more goofy in the future anyway.

                              I'm being stubborn about it admittedly, but seeing some other people not liking these things in other threads gives me hope that maybe these lines will be removed like the first ones. Maybe I'm being too optimistic.

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