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  • #61
    Even if you follow your friend game only, what if you have friended a member of the other team. More, what if you're in Skype with the player you're following? You could easily tell him what the other team is doing. Noes.

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    • #62
      @ZShock what if u have a friend over and he's watching you playing dota... he could tell you what the enemy team is doing. God... people with reallife friends shouldnt be allowed to play MM -> could be a disadvantage for enemy team, ooh and i forgot to mention the streamers, screw them.

      Second: why would you give advises to one of ur guys in friendslist over someone else in your friendslist? + it's very unlike that 2 guys in ur friendslist accidently will play against each other. This problem can also easly be solved by adding a 'allow XY to watch your game' button when ever someone tries to watch your game.

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      • #63
        Nixx, no matter how many arguments you come up with, this could still be abused. As a spectator you can see the player's names, you might then friend one or many, and take those "watching privileges". Let's say it's not me, let's say it's another one who does this, someone who is in my friend list but not in the watched player's list. Easily, through Skype, or even Steam chat, what both teams are up to.

        So, it doesn't matter who can and who cannot watch the game in real time. Even if it's just one can result in strategy leaks and alike.

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        • #64
          yeah you are right, it doesnt matter how many arguments there are. Because many of us and Valve as well do know that it could be done the way that nobody could abuse it. It just depends on the effort Valve wants to put in spectating. I think they should give it a try, if they want to make a really good game. Because the 2 min delay spectating is crap, useless and boring.

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          • #65
            You're right, it truly sucks if you're talking in real time with your friend! I think you can still watch the undelayed game as long as it's a private game, though. But of course it's not the same. For championship 'physicial' games it's okay, because these players are somehow isolated and Valve 'n everyone can certificate that it's like that. I think and think but cannot find a real solution to this xD

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            • #66
              you cant find one, but Valve can Whatsoever a possible solution already exists as i stated before.

              and by the way: Since u can see the gpm (and this doesnt change a whole lot over 2 min) and the wards, so that the team can antiward, the 2 min specating can be abused! The way S2 did their real time spectating is way better.

              I'd rather have realtime spectating without abuse than 2 min delay with abuse (i already saved a friend from death by telling him where the wards are ). but the 201 that voted no, are probably satisfied with the current system.
              Last edited by Nixxer; 01-11-2012, 09:26 AM.

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              • #67
                Many posters here really don't read but only wrote what is in their mind. The idea of having vision of a specific team means that you can only see what your team is seeing, no enemy wards visibility at all. To make it simple, vision yourself watching the game from the back of your friend's monitor and thats what you can see, period.

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                • #68
                  And the people you're talking about pretty much match with your post. It doesn't matter which game and who sees what, there will always be some way to make a connection between one player and the other team's sight. It's not what you can see, it's what you can do with that information. Check my last posts for a quick example.

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                  • #69
                    @ZShock so you mean Valve is just really bad at programming and they arent able to secure the system? You might be right. Maybe S2 is just better than Valve. In HoN i could not imagin how to get vision over the enemy team by spectating. Only if someone finds a glitch, but they usuallly get public and therefore removed.

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                    • #70
                      Nixx, with connection I don't mean some kind of hack, third-party software or something malicious; Steam is pretty secure with its data as far as I know. With connection I mean anything that can connect two computers to trade data, say Messenger, Skype, Mail, whatever! I say if someone knows the information, and that someone is not specifically controlled, then chances are that he might spread the info to provoque some kind of imbalance in the game.

                      So many words, gee.

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                      • #71
                        You can actually spectate a game LIVE in practice mode with no need to be Broadcaster. Just stay in the lobby/sidebar and you will see the game LIVE.

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                        • #72
                          I need to change my mind, i would love to spectate my friends in games.
                          Only note here is to limit the view so u can not abuse it.
                          When there is just friends on 1 side its clear, when there are friends on both sides u cant join for obvious reasons!
                          But realtim yes ^^
                          Originally posted by Ttempest
                          Duh... its the IceFrog dude. Kinda like Chuck Norris just in Dota.

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                          • #73
                            I'd like an option for it to let friends spectate custom games after they come in late.

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                            • #74
                              I agree with the delay on live spectating, to prevent abuse by ghosting.

                              But for coaching, it is an absolute must that we have the option to directly watch the trainee/trainer. 15 seconds of delay is the difference between failure and success in the laning phase. Providing 15second old data to your trainee would be extremely confusing.

                              Unless 'coached' games are going to be unranked and in some sort of practice lobby with 0 delay, in which case it will work fine.

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                              • #75
                                "coach" Games will most likely allow a player to watch a friend, and only see the friends POV. Also have a direct VOIP to the player. This is how TF2 'coaching' Works.
                                This might be allowed in matchmaking as it would be different from Spectating because you wouldn't be getting any extra info, just helping your friend learn how to use the info he can see etc.

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