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  • Watching live games and streaming

    Does anyone else think this might take away what seems to be becoming a viable career/income option for "professional" games?

    I feel like streaming is in it's infancy and has so much potential to really become a money earner for people who play games at a high level, especially for games with such massive communities as sc2, dota, LoL, etc.

    I don't expect much to come of this as I don't think this feature should/will get taken out, but wanted to see if anyone ever thought about this either (if anyone even reads this forum :P), or maybe if Valve has thought about this or not, whether they care or not?

  • #2
    Trust me, they won't allow 10kpeople to watch the same game =) those will be shoutcasted

    This will mostly happen on high level games, highly anticipated ones, and of course tournaments

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    • #3
      What about hundreds to watch the same game? I don't think anyone pulls in 10k regularly yet in LoL/HoN, except for tourneys.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kanadian View Post
        What about hundreds to watch the same game? I don't think anyone pulls in 10k regularly yet in LoL/HoN, except for tourneys.
        Indeed I wonder how many people can actually watch a game before the servers go down... we should actually test this we have enough people

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        • #5
          If the server is full it should proxy on another one, so amount of viewers is not the problem/solution for this.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MeVe View Post
            If the server is full it should proxy on another one, so amount of viewers is not the problem/solution for this.
            Yes but there will be a limit of some kind, you can proxy any amount of players, but not any amount of servers... they have limited servers while we will be (at release) easily over 20k players at all times I guess... So the auto watch feature will always connect to the same game, this means that every people using the auto watch (I'm guessing at least 1k people at all time) will be on the same server.

            Meaning that one game will take around 45 servers? (if each server can have 24 people)

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            • #7
              I have given some thought to this as well since I plan to make a living from casting dota.

              If you host a tournament, arrange a showmatch, etc., you don't make your game viewable through dotatv. This allows you to force all live viewers to watch at your streaming platform and see all of your ads.

              The main thing that I am worried about is the ease of watching replays, etc., may make more dota2 players more willing to watch them by themselves instead of hopping on youtube to watch pro matches, but generally people watch them for the enjoyment/laziness of sitting back anyways.

              Even if this does change how the casting market works, the market will always change and we can't just sit pretty with the "old technology" forever. There are too many awesome benefits of dotatv and we(as casters) can't simply demand profitability at a loss of technology for the viewers. There will always be a way to make money on dota as a profession if you are smart enough.
              www.youtube.com/purgegamers

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mataur View Post
                Yes but there will be a limit of some kind, you can proxy any amount of players, but not any amount of servers... they have limited servers while we will be (at release) easily over 20k players at all times I guess... So the auto watch feature will always connect to the same game, this means that every people using the auto watch (I'm guessing at least 1k people at all time) will be on the same server.

                Meaning that one game will take around 45 servers? (if each server can have 24 people)

                fyi, when you watch these "Live" matches, you aren't actually watching video captures of what is happening, the data your computer is sent is actually a log of actions and events that happen in the game, then your client interprets them and re-creates the closest it can. Because there is no sending information to the server beyond the dota TV chat, you are essentially using the same bandwidth as an IRC server that has alot of traffic. Also because the order of these events and the fact that they are time stamped, means that you aren't necessarliy in sync with someone else who is watching the same "Live" match. you'll notice that there is close to a 15-20 second delay on all the matches you are streaming as well.

                TLDR; you aren't sent any video data, you are sent a list of commands, which equates to a bunch of strings that your client re-creates when you're watching. This means the server is only sending about the same amount of data as a busy IRC server. It can then theoretically support hundreds and hundreds of thousands of spectators on the same game. And it lets their own computers do all the work. They just interpret the log of commands and events, and re-create the game for you to see.
                Last edited by sterls; 10-05-2011, 03:27 PM.

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                • #9
                  as for the OP, does public access television mean the end of paid newscasters? Does HBO fear going out of business because youtube lets people get their news for free? maybe, but that's an extreme example.

                  My main argument is, as a viewer/user/gamer, i want the highest quality broadcast i can get. I'm not just talking about video quality, i'm talking about production value. If ESPN started showing starcraft 2 matches ( look up barcraft ) then i'd be all for supporting ESPN. If Valve is going to make it fast, free, and extremely easy/low-bandwidth, to watch a live stream, then until these casters can one up them with something better, i'm going to stick with Valve on this one. If you want to make a living casting off Dota2, you better get a filming studio, buy some TV air-time, sell commercial ads, get some smoking hot babe from IGN's babe of the week or whatever, and talk about dota all you want.

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