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  • One more guy who can't:

    1. structure his "ideas";
    2. use search;
    3. abstract from own egocentric perception.

    I'm so tired of reading your diarrhoea over and over again. The funniest staff is that you demand, in capslock, someone from valve to read your trash.
    You're only as strong as your weakest link.
    -Thomas Reid

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    • Originally posted by soprof View Post
      One more guy who can't:

      1. structure his "ideas";
      2. use search;
      3. abstract from own egocentric perception.

      I'm so tired of reading your diarrhoea over and over again. The funniest staff is that you demand, in capslock, someone from valve to read your trash.
      And we needed to know this because?
      JUST QUIT PLAYING ALREADY

      VALVE DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT, NEITHER SHOULD YOU

      SPEND YOUR TIME ON A DEVELOPMENT TEAM THAT ISN'T AFRAID TO POST ON THEIR OWN DEVELOPER FORUMS

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      • Originally posted by soprof View Post
        One more guy who can't:

        1. structure his "ideas";
        2. use search;
        3. abstract from own egocentric perception.

        I'm so tired of reading your diarrhoea over and over again. The funniest staff is that you demand, in capslock, someone from valve to read your trash.
        One more guy who cannot actually read the entire thread without posting the most ignorant reply I've ever seen.
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        • Originally posted by Nixxer View Post
          this, a bit unfortunately expressed.

          yes i think you understood my post. I am sometimes a bit messy. I knew that u have played with better players because the matchmaking is doing this, it trys to even out the people in the stack. Therefor the worst player is absolutly overrated and the best player is underrated. You also got used to the good players, now your solo teammates have to play as good as your buddies to be satisfied.
          I see... so you didn't read the entire thread either. Another person who didn't read the entire thread and posts ignorant replies.
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          • they better abolish the mute system or it will be quitting dota 2 for real...

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            • Originally posted by Djdkdjdkdjdk View Post
              I don't even know why you're bringing this up again. The main point is the fact that matchmaking is horrible. 50% was just something I had at the back of my head and I'm pretty sure it is enforced and was confirmed by Valve themselves. If you can show me some sources then I'll acknowledge what you're saying. Also another reason why I actually believe in the 50% is the fact that at one point I'm matchmaked with people of my skill level who actually have a brain then I'm matchmaked with braindead players who somehow have 1000+ wins and don't carry a TP scroll when they're on the other side of the map. Also the fact that I've been solo queueing and the past ~300 games I've been playing I've literally been hovering around 50+++ wins ahead of my losses this entire time.
              Why I brought it up? Because you used the argument.
              EDIT: In addition, you claimed that Valve even said it. That's wrong. Simply don't make false statements.
              50% are not enforced.
              Originally posted by http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=70618
              We don't enforce a 50-50 win rate
              Last edited by Kryil-; 06-21-2013, 07:49 AM.
              If you think I've closed or deleted a post unjustified, feel free to PM me and I'll explain it to you/discuss it with you further.

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              • Originally posted by Djdkdjdkdjdk View Post
                No. MM is broken because of the unnecessary implementation of the automated mute system and the fact that it enforces the 50% winrate rule.
                What page was that blatant lie posted on? Also you even admitted to 50% win rate earlier. I didn't just use 50% winrate argument I also used the automated mute system, report system, and so on and so fourth. If you read my entire thread rather than posting you would see that 50% win rate was dicussed MORE THAN 10 PAGES AGO.
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                • Originally posted by Djdkdjdkdjdk View Post
                  What page was that blatant lie posted on? Also you even admitted to 50% win rate earlier. I didn't just use 50% winrate argument I also used the automated mute system, report system, and so on and so fourth. If you read my entire thread rather than posting you would see that 50% win rate was dicussed MORE THAN 10 PAGES AGO.
                  I don't fucking care when it happened. If you start your argument with a lie, what do you expect (or don't even call it a lie, but a false statement)?
                  I even wrote the page where I have it from: it's not a lie but the freaking truth. The PERFECT system would achieve 50% too. I'm not saying that it is perfect (hell, not at all), but that 50% winrate crying of some people is so freaking annoying that I need to adress it.
                  And no, I don't think that the MM is broken. It needs quite a lot improvements, but it's not "broken".
                  If you think I've closed or deleted a post unjustified, feel free to PM me and I'll explain it to you/discuss it with you further.

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                  • Originally posted by Kryil- View Post
                    I don't fucking care when it happened. If you start your argument with a lie, what do you expect (or don't even call it a lie, but a false statement)?
                    I even wrote the page where I have it from: it's not a lie but the freaking truth. The PERFECT system would achieve 50% too. I'm not saying that it is perfect (hell, not at all), but that 50% winrate crying of some people is so freaking annoying that I need to adress it.
                    And no, I don't think that the MM is broken. It needs quite a lot improvements, but it's not "broken".
                    Ahahahaha, you've lost it. I'm not responding to you anymore as your response to my previous post makes no sense, you won't acknowledge other peoples' opinions(facts), you won't go back a few pages and read what has already been discussed, and yes Matchmaking IS broken. You're but another troll who has finally shattered.
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                    • When you're solo queue and you get put against a 4 stack when your team is maybe a 2 stack at most, how is that not broken? @Kyril - Also I don't know if this is the "appropriate" place to post this but no thanks to match making this has happened to me.

                      http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...800E712710256/ - My last game wasn't even an abandon, I just simply got disconnected from the server and couldn't reconnect when I still had internet connection AND the game was still running. Why was I the only one to disconnect? Also I noticed massive lag spikes before I dropped from the server when for the first 40 mins of the game it ran 100% perfectly fine for me...

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                      • Originally posted by Shaella View Post
                        Ok, lets start them

                        MM doesn't force 50%, thats absolutely retarded. Like actually retarded. What happens is over time, as people play more and more games, they tend to reach a point where their win/loss differential stops changing, in short, they end up at say.. 30 wins over losses

                        At low numbers of matches, this is a lot, but when you get to like, 1030/1000 w/l, you're nearly at 50%. And you're not at 50% there because the system forced you to it, its because the matchmaking figured out approximately your skill level,and was placing you in equally skilled games where it thought you had a 50/50 chance of win loss, as opposed to earlier where it didn't have an accurate grasp of skill level and ended up placing you in matches where you were quite a bit better than everyone else, and were able to win off of the virtue of that

                        the forced to 50% idea relies on the fact that somehow Valve is able to read your skill level in the first place, and then is using that information to MALICIOUSLY bring you to 50% WR, no matter what. Thats just maximum silliness, and a more accurate measurement of a bad MM system would be if there were lots and lots of people with 60% winrates and 40% winrates, the fact that most people are a few percentile within 50% is proof of a decent MM system

                        The stomp games that people complain about are from the was the que system is designed, the longer your que is, the less equal matches are, as more people join the game, this problem will be fixed. MM isn't forcing you to 50% WR, and assuming so is just.. Foolishness and a failure to understand how matchmaking and even BASIC STATISTICS work. Jesus christ

                        Care to select which of your stupid ideals i slaughter next? Or should I just continue down the line.

                        After reading that, the real question is why is anybody else posting anything in this thread? Shaella is stating extremely clearly how the system works. So to argue what has been explained is ridiculous because that's how the system works.

                        How much clearer can someone make it?
                        Pro MUTE System
                        • If you complain about it, you're one of the people who have taken swift punishment from it. Proving it works.
                        • If you keep arguing against it, you're a repeat offender, proving it works again.
                        • ONLY REPEAT OFFENDERS continue to fight it.
                        • Thank you Valve! Finally a system that shuts bad attitudes, big egos and ignorance down like a bad habit.

                        Do you disagree? Please let me know why HERE!

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                        • Originally posted by Kryil- View Post
                          Why I brought it up? Because you used the argument.
                          EDIT: In addition, you claimed that Valve even said it. That's wrong. Simply don't make false statements.
                          50% are not enforced.
                          WAIT
                          Then why i just played game and won against 3 russians,and after won game i got same 3 russian mates from earlier loosing team as teammates in next game?
                          excuse me for my bad englishh but i think you all understand it's pure force to 50% win win
                          edit--
                          ohh yeah i forgot to tell you guys we lost, yep sad day again.
                          they feed so much i could do anyting except accept it.
                          -- edit 2.
                          Ofcoarse i reported them,as a good comunity players should do.
                          Last edited by NiHau-; 06-21-2013, 12:52 PM.
                          Trolls are people who want to get on your nerves. They will usually lurk around the forums and wait for an opportunity to annoy or attack a user.
                          The best way to ignore a troll is not to flame back, but to report and move on. Trolls are no good and should be exiled.
                          Example of such trolls are D.E.A, Lucky Red,Nox Aeterna
                          etc.. If you come across these, but ignore and move on.

                          I'm recording everygame from now on and uploading Youtube

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                          • Originally posted by Djdkdjdkdjdk View Post
                            Ahahahaha, you've lost it. I'm not responding to you anymore as your response to my previous post makes no sense, you won't acknowledge other peoples' opinions(facts), you won't go back a few pages and read what has already been discussed, and yes Matchmaking IS broken. You're but another troll who has finally shattered.
                            There is no fact. You LIED. You're a troll claiming to know the truth while obviously lying, trying to hide his insecureness by trying to make me ridicolous. Have fun.
                            There is no enforced 50%. Deal with it.

                            EDIT: I know you posted more stuff, but if you're lying, don't expect people to argue with the rest of the post, especially if there is nothing new since 2 years.
                            Last edited by Kryil-; 06-21-2013, 02:00 PM.
                            If you think I've closed or deleted a post unjustified, feel free to PM me and I'll explain it to you/discuss it with you further.

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                            • Originally posted by SpasticChase View Post
                              When you're solo queue and you get put against a 4 stack when your team is maybe a 2 stack at most, how is that not broken? @Kyril - Also I don't know if this is the "appropriate" place to post this but no thanks to match making this has happened to me.

                              http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/...800E712710256/ - My last game wasn't even an abandon, I just simply got disconnected from the server and couldn't reconnect when I still had internet connection AND the game was still running. Why was I the only one to disconnect? Also I noticed massive lag spikes before I dropped from the server when for the first 40 mins of the game it ran 100% perfectly fine for me...
                              Thank you for contributing to the thread, I forgot to mention 5 man stacks vs 3 man stacks... kinda late for me to add it now lol.
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                              • Originally posted by D.E.A. View Post
                                After reading that, the real question is why is anybody else posting anything in this thread? Shaella is stating extremely clearly how the system works. So to argue what has been explained is ridiculous because that's how the system works.

                                How much clearer can someone make it?
                                Ahahahaha D.E.A please just leave my thread. I've already read enough of your trash on other peoples' threads, let alone your ludicrous beliefs on the mute system.
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