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  • Pronoob
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    Originally posted by GewoonDaan View Post
    I don't trashtalk. And I know there are people in my friendslist who don't trashtalk.
    I also hold it aginst you that you trashtalk. You have as much been a handicap to enjoying the game as this half-assed new punishment system.
    What he said.

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  • hoveringmover
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    Originally posted by stoney View Post
    the people that are muted and still playing on the mute account are ruining games because all they do is spam ping and well played!

    this does not fit into my definition of flawless... you dont like what someone on your team was saying you could already mute them, the whole system is unneeded.
    I was never a bad teammate before getting banned. I was always nice. Maybe I wasn't always at my best, but nevertheless I never did anything to make anyone upset. Sometimes players were just upset in general, and simply took their hot emotions out on me. In those cases, I learned to just mute them if it got to be too annoying. I also learned to mute for people trolling big time for no good reason.

    After getting banned, I had no choice but to play for myself. Now I'm probably worse off as a teammate. The new ban system scarred me for life? Time will tell.

    Do I really believe what I just typed? No, not really. But I get the impression that's what some of you are trying to tell the rest of us. My honest impression? The punishment isn't appropriate at all if it bans an innocent. It appears to ban indiscriminately. As a result, there is a 'new game mode' that you are forced to play where you have to use chatwheel and minimap signals as effectively as possible temporarily for the simple reason that someone decided that they wanted you to.

    If this system is allowed to continue, and everyone acquires 3+ bans and there is no system reset of any kind, I can imagine my favorite aspect of this punishment disappearing: that I could still listen to my allies communicate with me. What if all ten players in a game were muted? Every single game. This is what they've been working on, instead of fixing matchmaking? Instead of implementing a coaching system? It's cute, but I'd rather have my coaching system. And yeah, obviously this new system will either be scrapped or refined. It's unacceptable as it is now as far as I can tell.

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  • stoney
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    Originally posted by Karga View Post
    I totally disagree with you all. This new idea is flawless! If people get to low priority, they were probably going for their duplicate accounts since playing in low-priority with no gain of Battlepoints was unbearable. But this new patch makes you think about options.
    Going to your dupe account and playing with your secondary account which is not much interesting for you, OR staying in your main, still getting your Battle points, talking via Personal messages with your friends, with sacrificing your ALL-CHAT/voice thrash talk.
    I bet that most of players stay in their main account, I already saw one person in my friend list suffering from communication ban. He was still insisting playing on his primary account.

    So in my opinion: The old Banning system was not really a punishment, because people were resting their accounts for 24 hours while playing on their secondaries (which had no restrictions)
    But now, they prefer to play with their primary with the restrictions.
    This new system is forcing people to stay on one account, while the old system was kinda encouraging people to have duplicates.

    the people that are muted and still playing on the mute account are ruining games because all they do is spam ping and well played!

    this does not fit into my definition of flawless... you dont like what someone on your team was saying you could already mute them, the whole system is unneeded.

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  • Turnusoul
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    Originally posted by Karga View Post
    still getting your Battle points, talking via Personal messages with your friends, with sacrificing your ALL-CHAT/voice thrash talk.
    What if i told you, low priority still exists and you are most likely going to be punished in both chat and LP?

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  • jawaiah
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    Originally posted by Karga View Post
    I totally disagree with you all. This new idea is flawless!
    It's funny that this is your conclusion when your entire argument is that the new system fixes an old problem...

    Let's summarize: fixes a single problem therefore it's flawless? Yeah, you might want to just delete that first line...

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  • Karga
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    I totally disagree with you all. This new idea is flawless! If people get to low priority, they were probably going for their duplicate accounts since playing in low-priority with no gain of Battlepoints was unbearable. But this new patch makes you think about options.
    Going to your dupe account and playing with your secondary account which is not much interesting for you, OR staying in your main, still getting your Battle points, talking via Personal messages with your friends, with sacrificing your ALL-CHAT/voice thrash talk.
    I bet that most of players stay in their main account, I already saw one person in my friend list suffering from communication ban. He was still insisting playing on his primary account.

    So in my opinion: The old Banning system was not really a punishment, because people were resting their accounts for 24 hours while playing on their secondaries (which had no restrictions)
    But now, they prefer to play with their primary with the restrictions.
    This new system is forcing people to stay on one account, while the old system was kinda encouraging people to have duplicates.

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  • iAxX
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    Assholes will be assholes and you can't change assholes because multiple accounts.

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  • Berra_la
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    Something needs to be done and I'm glad it's not up to me.
    Keep trying Valve, I hope you find a good balance.

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  • jawaiah
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    a couple of reasonable suggestions

    Originally posted by elelelel View Post
    I second this, thus far that was the best.
    Thirded.

    However if we have to live with this restrictive system , there are two improvements I suggest:

    1) Give people the option to selectively unmute chat-banned players. While normal chat is opt-out (you can selectively mute) receiving chat from banned players would be opt-in. This feature would mean that chat bans wouldn't penalize people who get reported by solo-queue random team, but who then want to mm with a stack and chat with friends.

    2) Give chat-banned players the REASONS they were reported. I feel very strongly about this one.
    If an offended party chooses to report a malicious player, the reporter should always cite a reason (there's a little text box there...) Why not pass these reasons on to the banned player? This would help the banned player learn why people were reporting them, and in which games they had been reported. How can we learn from our mistakes if we are punished under nebulous pretenses?

    Thanks for your hard work and kind consideration Volvo!

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  • elelelel
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    Originally posted by AzTyG View Post
    I still prefer the lack of chat restriction.
    I second this, thus far that was the best.

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  • klompf
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    I didn't get the ban (yet) however im kind of concerned about frequence of having that popup "we've taken actions..."

    Considered that i report like 1 dude per week and turn on the game client like twice a day its pretty damn suprising that recently i get that popup EVERY SINGLE TIME when i turn on the game. That's an awfull lot of bans
    Imo it clearly shows there's something wrong either with the popup trigger or the ban/mute trigger

    @OP
    I'd say that 95% of team communication could be resolved through wheel thing, map drawing (ctrl+lmb) and pings. So your issue should be pretty much resolved when they allow wheel chat for mutes.
    In the meantime u can draw arrows pointing back and ping the dude (once). I know it sucks, but guess its supposed to be some punishment.
    More importantly: chill

    btw. multiple pings only cause confusion, deaths and hate (on you). you really shouldn't do that no matter what circumstances

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  • Jbones
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    I just don't understand why everything has to be so punitive. People need to grow up and learn to deal with things. The only punishable offenses should be intentional feeding, intentional ability abuse, and queuing on servers where you can't speak the "native" language and have an awful latency.

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  • AzTyG
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    Valve recently made a mini update this April 23 that you all of the banned chat players have been lifted since they released a new mechanic where you can use the chat wheel while your flagged, also they fixed the bug where you can report more than 4 times a week. Sure valve did listened to our complaints and made few adjustments and made it a lot better now but I really was expecting an apology for their mistake since this was one of their worst updates ever when they added the chat restriction. So now yeah thanks Valve for making it better but I still prefer the lack of chat restriction. That's my opinion and any of your opinion towards this will be accepted and respected.

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  • henpara
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    First i have to say, that i was hit by the banhammer myself.

    Its sad to not see why you get banned (or from wich game), but the main concern that even the voice-commands like "miss bottom" etz are muted and that makes the mute really really bad in the way that it takes a core thing from the game - teamcommunication. As you cant really abusee the voice-commands i dont understand why they are muted, too. Without them being muted, you still cant trashtalk anymore, but you can still be usefull communicationwise to your team. And that would be the better thing i think.


    So: Change the banhammer in the direction, that voice commands are `NOT muted, but all the rest that currently is remains muted.

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  • babushka
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    Originally posted by AzTyG View Post
    Here is one that I find very harsh recently. I do commend your efforts on improving the Dota 2 community Valve, however, the new update concerning about the new chat restriction does prevent many players from trashtalking a lot but this is also a downfall for it disrupts our gaming. Without the ability to use text chat, voice chat or chat wheel, it was made harder for us to cooperate since some us cannot speak for themselves on which strategy to initiate or to report missing lanes or to go Roshan. This has greatly demolished our gaming. Please do understand that you Valve have just made a lot of dissatisfied players due to restricted chat. And also the period of time for being banned from communication is also disgraceful as 1 day is already long enough. I realized this discomfort when I was playing Dota 2 in some games I win against other enemies as I noticed some of them never used all chat and their performance was uncooperative. I know what you are thinking that "It's my fault that I got into this mess and the reason why I can't chat" but seriously this has really deducted the fun in Dota 2. Yes i do trashtalk, but I know for sure all Dota 2 players trashtalk so it's like you muted most of the community. So know I hope you bring about a new update removing the chat restriction as soon as possible. And yes I can speak as I am civilize which I am not to boast, just showing you that the Dota 2 community can show decency. Please do understand my feedback because Im 100% sure, many players feel the same way as I do towards the chat restriction.
    Yes, i agree there is no teamplay without communication. This is just a silly patch for the issue.. Whats wrong with the ignore function? cant folks just use it? ...

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