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Thread: Commend/Report/Low Priority/Mute Feedback

  1. #3601
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    The report and punishment system is currently completely broken. Since the punishment threshold was so extremely lowered I was put into low priority at least 3 times without reason. I have not been writing in chat at all in a long time, only using quick chat and pings to communicate, I did not play against my teammates in any way.

    I have "Mute all incoming chat" option turned on because I grew tired of overwhelming toxicity and constant threatening with reports, though I do not think a communist justice of punishing anyone only suspected of wrongdoing is the answer to this.... It happened on 2 different accounts and I did not even suck, the last game before most recent LP was a victory...

    When it was possible to report during a match it never happened and ironically I was receiving a lot of "We have taken an action against player you previously reported" messages after reporting toxic, unsportsmanlike players.
    Now I report an intentional feeder, or a Riki picker who afks whole game and nothing.

    Edit: By the way calling to report other players is extremely filthy and should be a bannable offense.
    Last edited by Metheldaen; 03-19-2018 at 09:37 AM.

  2. #3602
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    i was banned for 6 months despite i wasnt abusing abilities,(exept for few times when i had internet and electricity issues) or intentionally feeding for as long as i remembe, not even talking about boosting or something like that, i was barely ever talking or flaming anybody in text or voice chat either
    you can see my previous games here https://www.dotabuff.com/players/130555243/matches
    you can also see on opendota wordcloud that i wasnt talking too much https://www.opendota.com/players/130555243/wordcloud
    i dont know if 6 months bans can be reverted but im just posting this here so you can see that this can be abused
    my steam profile http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198090820971/
    Last edited by Ent-; 03-25-2018 at 09:52 AM.

  3. #3603
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    The report system is completely broken. The only way player could be punished is losing mmr. Current "balance" gives no chance to outpicked team and people will waste their reports to the core or mid player no matter what.

  4. #3604
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    Ban Imminent Lift?

    I was having a bad time, and I got reported an average of 10 times, with 7 or 8 commends per conduct summary.

    However, I have had <3 reports and 10+ commends for over 4 conduct summaries in a row, when will I stop receiving the "Ban Imminent" warning?

    It's putting me in a bad mood every time I log in.

  5. #3605
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    Please add a proper tutorial to the game about the laning phase so that players who have no idea about lane equilibrium, early-game item progression and rotations can learn about those things. Honestly, most players in any game do not want to cooperate with others. This needs to change. It has to be some-sort of element you want to do; why are support items not free? Is it the idea that DotA should be competitive? If so, then impart to new players that the game is meant to be competitive and tactical. Younger players especially don't want to buy wards or support and proceed to compete against their teammates for last hits in lane. They will also dive into enemy territory without vision and proceed to ping spam, type insults and get frustrated with their only level of play. I've observed this happen so many times that I don't understand why the devs won't correct the sheer inability of new players to learn essential skills in DotA 2. The report system only compounds upon new players being unable to learn the competitive skills needed to excel even in losing games.

    The report system essentially punishes any kind of in-game criticism. It doesn't matter how nice you are to people they will refuse to play even remotely well if they are told they are doing something badly. The report system and a lack of clear understanding of DotA 2 have created a community of experienced players that pride themselves on MMR rankings and win-loss ratios; just check any of the major discussion chats in-game which constantly devolve to name-calling over rankings. These are the same people who will go in game and use your report system against players they just don't like. What's worse is that once a player finds themselves comfortable with DotA 2 they will refuse to accept any type of criticism about their play or refuse to acknowledge another player struggling or playing differently; and you can always report players who play badly or who respond to, or offer criticism. A new player who genuinely doesn't know how to find observer wards in the shop is the equivalent to an experienced player who feeds his hero down the middle lane because something in the game went wrong for them is the equivalent to another player whose style of play is unorthodox is the equivalent to a party of two who refuse to play as a team is the equivalent to an experienced player who convinces three others on the team to report one bad player... etc. etc.

    If you want DotA to be developed as a unique multiplayer game where players have the freedom to experiment than the report system should only be enforced with overt griefing (like feeding your hero down the middle lane, afking in lane, killing the courier on purpose, etc.), script abuse and actual chat spam that lasts more than 5-10 minutes. LP doesn't solve anything behaviour-wise. Low-priority matchmaking pool is just the same matchmaking-roulette of new and experienced players winning and losing matches. There's no oppurtunity to learn from mistakes in DotA 2 to begin with, so why force people to "win" a match five times if they are just going to play with the same behaviour and skill level as they were outside of Low-Priority? What is the point of a punishment pool if it has zero game-play differences from the non-punishment pool? What are the learning oppurtunities? What exactly is the 'punishment'? Playing with more players that grate your nerves? Even outside of Low Priority any player will constantly get matched with others who are completely new to the game, yet have a huge amount of hours in-game; they just play badly without learning or improving. These players report or get reported, justified or not.

    The report system and the majority of players lacking a clear understanding of how to play DotA 2 do not synergise.
    The system needs to actually dispose of griefers and any player who is frustrated to the point of griefing.
    I've been in LP games with genuinely skilled players; I've been in normal matches where players give legitimately good advice or analysis and are insulted or ignored.

    None of DotA's attempts at improving the community have actually helped new players learn DotA 2; 90% of my games involve new players choosing support heroes and refusing to ward for vision or use their skills appropriately...OR...new players choosing core heroes and being too scared to engage with the enemy (they'll buy invisibility items or farm gold for 30+ minutes)...OR...flat-out "You Only Live Once" types who have zero patience and will fight constantly while blaming everyone but themselves for their deaths.

    The vast majority of this community doesn't understand how to play DotA at a basic level. The experienced voices on reddit and other forums are a small percentage of the people who queue up for this game worldwide. A marked improvement right now, other than spending the money to create an effective tutorial system, is stop marking players who provide actual in-game criticism (regardless of how 'nice' they give that advice) with bad behavior scores. In fact, just do away with behavior scores entirely; it just creates lopsided matchmaking and, more importantly, removes any opportunity for players to improve their behavior or for new players who have been wrongly reported as "bad" to learn the game.

    Thanks for your time, and if you engage with any ad-hominem after reading this or feel I'm typing our of some sort-of "anger", you are exactly the problem with this community I'm talking about!
    Last edited by MoaM; 04-27-2018 at 01:50 PM.

  6. #3606
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    I've posted to this thread before (18-03-2018) and still have not seen any major improvement. The Dota 2 community, especially on the Australian server, is still incredibly toxic. Valve is really not addressing toxicity and almost seems to be encouraging it. Prime example: the all-chat wheel function. It was a huge mistake to give players all-chat wheel functions because it has essentially become a spamming tool to taunt/tilt opponents. With one button, a player can spam "Good game, well played" every time they kill you or your Pudge misses a hook. The additional all-chat wheel phrases from compendiums/battle passes just worsen the situation, so much so that even Liquid Kuroky has had to tell his teammates to mute the opposition. My suggestion would be to remove all-chat wheel phrases and keep the chat wheel strictly to team chat. Alternatively, if the all-chat wheel phrases really must stay, then put restrictions on them, e.g. you can only use an all-chat wheel phrase ONCE per game. This would really help reduce the flaming/hatred between the teams and go a long way to returning sportsmanship back to the game (remember the good ol' days when players only typed "GG" on all-chat when the game was actually over?)

  7. #3607
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    I have another simple idea to address toxicity. I like the recent addition of helpful tips that pop up whenever the game is paused. Why not add some tips that specify which actions are toxic? A list can also be included in the tutorial/learn tab perhaps. Actions like spamming "?", "EZ" or "Easiest game of my life" on all-chat have become so commonplace that players are genuinely becoming unaware that they are actually toxic. It would also be a good idea to remove the post-game chat function, or make it a team-chat only, since this is where a lot of players spam "EZ" or other such taunts. The overall trend should be minimizing all-chat capabilities, thus pushing players to focus on their own game and their team instead (just like in the good ol' days)

  8. #3608
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    Match ID: 4123783569
    Incredibly toxic AA (Cpt Buzzkill) who flamed teammates non-stop on all-chat. He also fed couriers and himself to the enemy team, and planted wards by fountain. He's clearly using a smurf account and even stated that he doesn't care about being reported since he can just create a new account. The following is copy-pasted from the post-game chat:

    Cpt Buzzkill: (Console): Report submitted: Thank you for helping to improve the Dota 2 community.
    Cpt Buzzkill: pa
    Cpt Buzzkill: (Console): Report submitted: Thank you for helping to improve the Dota 2 community.
    Absinth|Kill3r: good luck in low priority AA
    Cpt Buzzkill: tinker
    déjà: report him
    Cpt Buzzkill: i dont do lp
    (Console): Report submitted: Thank you for helping to improve the Dota 2 community.
    Cpt Buzzkill: ill just make another smurf if i get it
    déjà: it wont be hard for the automated system to see the amount of deaths and that they were all to tower on mid
    Cpt Buzzkill: indeed
    Cpt Buzzkill: takes 20 sec to make yet antoerh account
    Cpt Buzzkill: and get 2 fresh reports to use each time too
    Cpt Buzzkill: win win
    Absinth|Kill3r: good for you AA... go create more smurfs and waste your time, glad to know you're part of the toxic community that wishes they were good players but will never actually improve
    déjà: ^^^
    Cpt Buzzkill: wtf would i care
    déjà: feeding because they have to convince themselves that the only reason they lose is because they are feeding and not because their attitude is abysmal
    Cpt Buzzkill: until fuckwits like u stop isnta selecting mid and expecting someone to solo support nothing will change
    Cpt Buzzkill: have fun in lp
    Last edited by O.M.E.G.A; 09-17-2018 at 04:34 PM.

  9. #3609
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    The Report System will always be bad for abuse of the players themselves, but I have just been banned from the MM for 24 hours after that game: 4204422790 (Doom player and I have not received any reports in this match)

    Honestly this seems to me to be some kind of Admin abuse, it's the second time this occurs in a period of 1 year after I take the same posture of disabling any kind of communication and blocking odd accounts that sometimes appear (a lot of accounts with less than 100, others that seem to be stolen and others that seem to be literally edited - the reasons I detail in the reports that I make in Steam).

    It will not be surprising to find out which accounts are boosted / edited on SA servers literally.
    Last edited by Kie; 11-04-2018 at 11:01 PM.

  10. #3610
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    Lightbulb my commend count doesn't reset

    i can't commend people...every time it says i have already used my commends for the week while i haven't and it has been a lot more longer than a week

    please help me fix this

    Thanks

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