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    [Confirmed] Furion's talent-buffed treants get their HP increased by Holy Pers/HotD

    I feel like this is an oversight and probably not intended and it really shows when you add stuff like furion's new x2 treant health talent + clinkz etc.

    Holy Persuasion: If the creep's maximum health is below 700/800/900/1000, its health is set to that value.

    With a level 25 scepter + talented greater treant and holy persuasion you get a 5k health treant. I don't think holy persuasion should affect the greater treants health anyways since it's 1650 but I think it's coded as 550 base health *3.

    Steps to reproduce:

    1. Level 25 scepter furion with treant talent kills a hero
    2. Enemy chen uses holy persuasion
    3. Expected result: still a 3.3k (2x1650) HP treant
    4. Actual result: a 5k HP treant (see attachment)
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    All numbers for 7.06 patch:

    Untalented Greater Treants (1650 HP):

    Persuasion -> 1650 HP ✓
    Dominator -> 1650 HP ✓
    Persuasion & Dominator -> 1650 HP ✓
    Talented Persuasion -> 2000 HP
    (Expected: 2650 HP)
    Talented Persuasion & Dominator -> 2000 HP
    (Expected: 2650 HP)



    Talented Greater Treants (3300 HP):

    Dominator: 4950 HP
    (Expected: 3300 HP)
    Persuasion: 4950 HP
    (Expected: 3300 HP)
    Talented Persuasion: 4950 HP
    (Expected: 4300 HP or ignoring Furis x2 HP talent: 2650 HP)
    Persuasion & Dominator: 6600 HP
    (Expected: 3300 HP)
    Talented Persuasion & Dominator: 6600 HP
    (Expected: 4300 HP or ignoring Furis x2 HP talent: 2650 HP)
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    Still reproducible in the recent patch, although something treant related was fixed?

    Either way persuaded greater treants should either have 3300 HP, no BASE HP boost from chen, or 6000 HP, 3 (greater treant health multiplier) * 2 (furi lvl 25 talent multiplier) * 1000 (boosted BASE HP).
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    Still not fixed.
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    This happens because the hp and damage are provided by a hidden buff. The treants are still the regular 550/1650 hp treants, and a buff grants them 550/1650 extra hp.

    So what happens is, the Treant's hp is still seen as 550/1650. Therefore, Holy Persuasion (and Helm of the Dominator) buff it to their minimum. The talent buff then adds its bonus on top of that.

    And yea, no idea why it they would affect the Greate Treants in the first place. Their hp is above Persuasion/Helm threshold anyway (700/800/900/1000 and 1400 respectively, while Greater Treants have 1650 by default). A regular Greater Treant's hp is unchanged, but a talent-buffed treant's hp is increased. It makes no sense.
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    Still not fixed.
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    Since Chen could be getting more popular, maybe it's time to finally get this fixed?

    Aghs boosted Greater Treant Health is 3300 and even with Chen's new +1000 health talent it should be 4300 hp max. Currently HotD and Persuasion (with & without the new talent) increase it to 4950.
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    Wink

    Full numbers:

    Untalented Greater Treants (1650 HP):

    Persuasion -> 1650 HP ✓
    Dominator -> 1650 HP ✓
    Persuasion & Dominator -> 1650 HP ✓
    Talented Persuasion -> 2000 HP
    (Expected: 2650 HP)
    Talented Persuasion & Dominator -> 2000 HP
    (Expected: 2650 HP)



    Talented Greater Treants (3300 HP):

    Dominator: 4950 HP
    (Expected: 3300 HP)
    Persuasion: 4950 HP
    (Expected: 3300 HP)
    Talented Persuasion: 4950 HP
    (Expected: 4300 HP or ignoring Furis x2 HP talent: 2650 HP)
    Persuasion & Dominator: 6600 HP
    (Expected: 3300 HP)
    Talented Persuasion & Dominator: 6600 HP
    (Expected: 4300 HP or ignoring Furis x2 HP talent: 2650 HP)
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    8389 HP Greater Treant + naked lvl 25 hungry Clinkz:

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    It works completely fine for the Spiders. So two talents doing the same thing are coded differently.

    And Greater Treants still make no sense at all

    Last edited by bu3ny; 12-16-2017 at 06:17 PM.
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    This is fixed according to changelog, but nothing seems to have changed.

    Talent-boosted Greater Treants taken over by Chen/Dominator still have 4950 health. Their hp should not change, since it already is above the minimum of Holy Persuasion/Dominate.

    Small treants make no sense either. Small t reants have 1100 hp when talent-boosted. Holy P's minimum hp is at 1000, so why does Holy P increase their hp to 1650? And when choosing the +1000 Holy P min HP talent, why does it increase their hp to 2550, instead of 2000?


    Edit: Nevermind, the fix was for the attack dmg bonus of the talent.
    Last edited by bu3ny; 02-01-2018 at 05:02 PM.
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