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  1. #31
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    My ip: 89.148.35.237

    EU West:
    PHP Code:
    --- PING 146.66.152.1 (146.66.152.156(84bytes of data. ---
    64 bytes from 146.66.152.1icmp_req=1 ttl=56 time=11.6 ms
    64 bytes from 146.66.152.1
    icmp_req=2 ttl=56 time=11.4 ms
    64 bytes from 146.66.152.1
    icmp_req=3 ttl=56 time=15.8 ms
    64 bytes from 146.66.152.1
    icmp_req=4 ttl=55 time=13.4 ms


    --- 146.66.152.1 ping statistics ---
    packets transmitted     4
    received     4
    packet loss     0 
    %
    time     3002 ms


    --- Round Trip Time (rtt) ---
    min     11.440 ms
    avg     13.080 ms
    max     15.813 ms
    mdev     1.767 ms

    traceroute to 146.66.152.1 
    (146.66.152.1), 30 hops max60 byte packets
    1    
    static.185.212.4.46.clients.your-server.de    46.4.212.185    de    1.045 ms    1.103 ms    1.192 ms
    2    hos
    -tr2.juniper1.rz13.hetzner.de    213.239.224.33    de    0.114 ms          
    hos
    -tr4.juniper2.rz13.hetzner.de    213.239.224.97    de    0.122 ms     
    hos
    -tr1.juniper1.rz13.hetzner.de    213.239.224.1    de    0.143 ms
    3    hos
    -bb2.juniper4.rz2.hetzner.de    213.239.240.138    de    2.748 ms    2.765 ms    2.761 ms
    4    r1nue1
    .core.init7.net    77.109.135.101    ch    2.829 ms    2.905 ms    2.943 ms
    5    r1nue2
    .core.init7.net    77.109.140.154    ch    2.918 ms    2.904 ms    3.003 ms
    6    r1fra3
    .core.init7.net    77.109.140.53    ch    17.647 ms          
    r1fra2
    .core.init7.net    77.109.140.49    ch    7.744 ms    7.647 ms
    7    r1fra1
    .core.init7.net    77.109.128.221    ch    8.174 ms          
    r1fra1
    .core.init7.net    77.109.128.137    ch    6.418 ms    6.014 ms
    8    xe
    -4-2-2.fra23.ip4.tinet.net    77.67.76.237    ie    5.953 ms    6.006 ms    5.976 ms
    9    xe
    -0-3-0.fra60.ip4.tinet.net    141.136.108.33    ie    17.144 ms          
    xe
    -11-3-0.fra60.ip4.tinet.net    141.136.109.241    ie    6.606 ms     
    xe
    -0-3-0.fra60.ip4.tinet.net    141.136.108.33    ie    17.144 ms
    10    valve
    -gw.ip4.tinet.net    77.67.74.170    ie    10.931 ms    11.314 ms    10.897 ms
    11    gw
    .lux.valve.net    146.66.152.1         16.726 ms    13.320 ms    13.325 ms 

    EU East:
    PHP Code:
    --- PING 146.66.155.1 (146.66.155.156(84bytes of data. ---
    64 bytes from 146.66.155.1icmp_req=1 ttl=58 time=21.9 ms
    64 bytes from 146.66.155.1
    icmp_req=2 ttl=57 time=20.2 ms
    64 bytes from 146.66.155.1
    icmp_req=3 ttl=57 time=22.6 ms
    64 bytes from 146.66.155.1
    icmp_req=4 ttl=58 time=22.4 ms


    --- 146.66.155.1 ping statistics ---
    packets transmitted     4
    received     4
    packet loss     0 
    %
    time     3003 ms


    --- Round Trip Time (rtt) ---
    min     20.277 ms
    avg     21.818 ms
    max     22.655 ms
    mdev     0.935 ms
    1    
    static.185.212.4.46.clients.your-server.de    46.4.212.185    de    1.154 ms    1.214 ms    1.248 ms
    2    hos
    -tr4.juniper2.rz13.hetzner.de    213.239.224.97    de    0.134 ms    0.372 ms     
    hos
    -tr2.juniper1.rz13.hetzner.de    213.239.224.33    de    0.203 ms
    3    hos
    -bb2.juniper4.rz2.hetzner.de    213.239.240.138    de    2.764 ms    3.994 ms    4.074 ms
    4    r1nue1
    .core.init7.net    77.109.135.101    ch    2.850 ms    3.005 ms    2.910 ms
    5    r1nue2
    .core.init7.net    77.109.140.154    ch    7.506 ms    6.815 ms    7.086 ms
    6    r1fra2
    .core.init7.net    77.109.140.49    ch    17.150 ms    17.244 ms    17.357 ms
    7    de
    -cix.ae0-2.cr1.fra1.de.kaiaglobal.com    80.81.192.213    de    6.812 ms    6.397 ms    6.490 ms
    8    xe
    -0-0-0-542.cr1.vie1.at.ipv4.kaiaglobal.com    195.13.60.50    de    18.471 ms    18.312 ms    17.598 ms
    9    valve
    .cr1.vie1.at.ipv4.kaiaglobal.com    193.34.48.106    de    19.891 ms    18.831 ms    18.520 ms
    10                   
    *    *    * 
    Russia/Sweden:
    PHP Code:
    --- PING 146.66.156.1 (146.66.156.156(84bytes of data. ---
    64 bytes from 146.66.156.1icmp_req=1 ttl=53 time=42.7 ms
    64 bytes from 146.66.156.1
    icmp_req=2 ttl=52 time=43.1 ms
    64 bytes from 146.66.156.1
    icmp_req=3 ttl=52 time=40.5 ms
    64 bytes from 146.66.156.1
    icmp_req=4 ttl=53 time=40.3 ms


    --- 146.66.156.1 ping statistics ---
    packets transmitted     4
    received     4
    packet loss     0 
    %
    time     3003 ms


    --- Round Trip Time (rtt) ---
    min     40.314 ms
    avg     41.702 ms
    max     43.130 ms
    mdev     1.270 ms

    1    
    static.185.212.4.46.clients.your-server.de    46.4.212.185    de    1.053 ms    1.086 ms    1.076 ms
    2    hos
    -tr1.juniper1.rz13.hetzner.de    213.239.224.1    de    0.158 ms    0.200 ms    0.190 ms
    3    hos
    -bb1.juniper1.ffm.hetzner.de    213.239.240.224    de    4.807 ms    4.852 ms    4.843 ms
    4    tge1
    -3.fra01-1.eu.as5580.net    80.81.195.66    de    11.310 ms    6.449 ms    89.802 ms
    5    eth4
    -5.r1.dus1.de.atrato.net    80.94.64.133    nl    8.935 ms    9.397 ms    9.268 ms
    6    eth1
    -4.r1.ham1.de.atrato.net    78.152.35.102    nl    17.482 ms    54.449 ms    17.370 ms
    7    eth1
    -1.r1.sto1.se.atrato.net    78.152.34.125    nl    37.751 ms    126.788 ms    77.499 ms
    8    ve17
    .r1.sto2.se.atrato.net    78.152.35.186    nl    126.931 ms    41.390 ms    77.088 ms
    9    highwinds
    -33438-gw.sto02-1.se.as5580.net    78.152.40.218    nl    110.232 ms    45.067 ms    38.286 ms
    10    unknown
    .hwng.net    81.171.70.218    nl    40.489 ms    103.585 ms    80.176 ms
    11    gw
    .sto.valve.net    146.66.156.1         43.294 ms    43.332 ms    61.677 ms 
    SEA:
    PHP Code:
    --- PING 103.28.54.1 (103.28.54.156(84bytes of data. ---
    64 bytes from 103.28.54.1icmp_req=1 ttl=53 time=348 ms
    64 bytes from 103.28.54.1
    icmp_req=2 ttl=53 time=346 ms
    64 bytes from 103.28.54.1
    icmp_req=3 ttl=53 time=347 ms
    64 bytes from 103.28.54.1
    icmp_req=4 ttl=53 time=348 ms


    --- 103.28.54.1 ping statistics ---
    packets transmitted     4
    received     4
    packet loss     0 
    %
    time     3001 ms


    --- Round Trip Time (rtt) ---
    min     346.375 ms
    avg     347.990 ms
    max     348.869 ms
    mdev     0.992 ms
    1    
    static.185.212.4.46.clients.your-server.de    46.4.212.185    de    1.530 ms    1.729 ms    1.878 ms
    2    hos
    -tr3.juniper2.rz13.hetzner.de    213.239.224.65    de    0.571 ms          
    hos
    -tr2.juniper1.rz13.hetzner.de    213.239.224.33    de    18.564 ms     
    hos
    -tr3.juniper2.rz13.hetzner.de    213.239.224.65    de    0.571 ms
    3    hos
    -bb2.juniper4.rz2.hetzner.de    213.239.240.138    de    2.888 ms    2.698 ms    3.106 ms
    4    r1nue1
    .core.init7.net    77.109.135.101    ch    10.353 ms    10.497 ms    10.692 ms
    5    r1lon1
    .core.init7.net    77.109.140.253    ch    17.217 ms    17.476 ms    17.373 ms
    6    r1nyc1
    .core.init7.net    77.109.140.194    ch    87.875 ms    87.596 ms    87.276 ms
    7    r1lax1
    .core.init7.net    82.197.168.69    ch    158.066 ms    158.196 ms    157.989 ms
    8                   
    *    *    *
    9    vlan907-an-cat6k-ts2-r1.starhub.net.sg    203.118.3.217    sg    338.603 ms    338.496 ms    331.129 ms
    10    anatll10
    .starhub.net.sg    203.118.5.17    sg    330.783 ms    337.923 ms    338.046 ms
    11                   
    *    *    *
    12    gw.sgp.valve.net    103.28.54.1    sg    339.813 ms    346.751 ms    345.354 ms 

  2. #32
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    post thr traceresults from your home connection and not from a hosted server in germany!
    Last edited by ZyPhyrus; 02-06-2013 at 02:52 PM.

  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by milton View Post
    Also let me know the public ip and time of day when you did the trace. Some providers have different routes for different IP address ranges. This is to balance out their traffic but it makes latency vary depending on which path you are taking. They might even be dynamically shifting stuff around in which case it gets much harder.
    C:\Users\acer>tracert 146.66.153.140

    Tracing route to 146.66.153.140 over a maximum of 30 hops

    1 1 ms 1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
    2 24 ms 23 ms 26 ms 188.158.88.1
    3 24 ms 24 ms 23 ms 10.56.210.9
    4 24 ms 23 ms 23 ms 89.165.3.137
    5 35 ms 37 ms 37 ms 78.38.245.97
    6 36 ms 37 ms 35 ms 10.10.36.117
    7 36 ms 37 ms 36 ms 10.10.53.249
    8 340 ms 339 ms 339 ms nyk-b7-link.telia.net [213.248.69.69]
    9 346 ms 334 ms 333 ms nyk-b6-link.telia.net [80.91.252.53]
    10 334 ms 334 ms 333 ms nyk-bb1-link.telia.net [213.155.133.10]
    11 336 ms 339 ms 337 ms ffm-bb1-link.telia.net [213.155.131.144]
    12 * 377 ms 338 ms ffm-b10-link.telia.net [80.91.247.185]
    13 341 ms 347 ms 347 ms valve-ic-157467-ffm-b10.c.telia.net [213.248.101
    .90]
    14 350 ms 350 ms 351 ms 146-66-154-227.valve.net [146.66.154.227]
    15 * * * Request timed out.
    16 * * * Request timed out.
    17 * * * Request timed out.
    18 * * * Request timed out.
    19 * * * Request timed out.
    20 * * * Request timed out.
    21 * * * Request timed out.
    22 * * * Request timed out.
    23 * * * Request timed out.
    24 * * * Request timed out.
    25 * * * Request timed out.
    26 * * * Request timed out.
    27 * * * Request timed out.
    28 * * * Request timed out.
    29 * * * Request timed out.
    30 * * * Request timed out.

    Trace complete.

    This was done today 13:00 at your Seattle time.
    I had 360ms ping ingame.
    I'm gonna try to post another traceroute when my ping is better to see the difference in routing.

  4. #34
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    I live in Turkey. I use the most common (almost monopoly) ISP. Hope the data will help.

    My IP: 85.110.176.55

    Code:
    Tracing route to gw.lux.valve.net [146.66.152.1] over a maximum of 30 hops:
    
      1     2 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  RT [192.168.2.1]
      2     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  RT [192.168.31.1]
      3    25 ms    24 ms    24 ms  85.110.128.1.dynamic.ttnet.com.tr [85.110.128.1]
      4     *        *        *     Request timed out.
      5    26 ms    24 ms    29 ms  uls-2-3-uls-3-5.turktelekom.com.tr [81.212.204.158]
      6   117 ms   108 ms   113 ms  so-5-0-0.edge1.Paris1.Level3.net [212.73.206.9]
      7    97 ms    96 ms    96 ms  ae-52-52.csw2.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.139.247]
      8    97 ms    97 ms    96 ms  ae-57-222.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net [4.69.161.57]
      9    98 ms    97 ms    97 ms  ae-45-45.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.143.133]
     10     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     11     *        *        *     Request timed out.
     12    87 ms    87 ms    86 ms  ae-19-19.car1.Luxembourg1.Level3.net [4.69.148.229]
     13    88 ms    87 ms    88 ms  212.73.249.18
     14   103 ms    91 ms   103 ms  gw.lux.valve.net [146.66.152.1]
    
    Trace complete.
    Code:
    Tracing route to 146.66.155.1 over a maximum of 30 hops
    
      1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  RT [192.168.2.1]
      2     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  RT [192.168.31.1]
      3    24 ms    24 ms    24 ms  85.110.128.1.dynamic.ttnet.com.tr [85.110.128.1]
      4     *        *        *     Request timed out.
      5    25 ms    25 ms    25 ms  uls-2-3-uls-3-5.turktelekom.com.tr [81.212.204.158]
      6    26 ms    25 ms    25 ms  uls-2-4-uls-2-3.turktelekom.com.tr [81.212.204.194]
      7    85 ms    84 ms    84 ms  212.156.103.97.static.turktelekom.com.tr [212.156.103.97]
      8   213 ms   219 ms   214 ms  linx.te1-4-0.cr1.lon1.uk.euro-transit.net [195.66.225.76]
      9    84 ms   115 ms    84 ms  ae0-548.cr1.ams2.nl.ipv4.kaiaglobal.com [195.13.60.57]
     10    88 ms    87 ms   109 ms  ae0-544.cr1.fra1.de.ipv4.kaiaglobal.com [195.13.60.45]
     11   139 ms   110 ms   110 ms  xe-0-0-0-542.cr1.vie1.at.ipv4.kaiaglobal.com [195.13.60.50]
     12    96 ms    97 ms    97 ms  valve.cr1.vie1.at.ipv4.kaiaglobal.com [193.34.48.106]
     13    89 ms     *       92 ms  146.66.155.1
    
    Trace complete.
    Code:
    Tracing route to gw.sto.valve.net [146.66.156.1] over a maximum of 30 hops:
    
      1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  RT [192.168.2.1]
      2     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  RT [192.168.31.1]
      3    25 ms    24 ms    25 ms  85.110.128.1.dynamic.ttnet.com.tr [85.110.128.1]
      4     *        *        *     Request timed out.
      5    25 ms    25 ms    25 ms  uls-2-3-uls-3-5.turktelekom.com.tr [81.212.204.158]
      6    78 ms    77 ms    78 ms  fr-col-3-uls-2-3.turktelekom.com.tr [212.156.101.117]
      7    94 ms    98 ms    99 ms  tge4-4.fra02-1.eu.as5580.net [80.81.194.66]
      8    89 ms    83 ms    90 ms  eth2-3.r1.fra1.de.atrato.net [80.94.64.137]
      9    80 ms    88 ms    81 ms  eth4-5.r1.dus1.de.atrato.net [80.94.64.133]
     10    98 ms    99 ms    99 ms  eth1-4.r1.ham1.de.atrato.net [78.152.35.102]
     11   121 ms   139 ms   133 ms  eth1-1.r1.sto1.se.atrato.net [78.152.34.125]
     12   113 ms   126 ms   119 ms  ve17.r1.sto2.se.atrato.net [78.152.35.186]
     13   136 ms   115 ms   122 ms  highwinds-33438-gw.sto02-1.se.as5580.net [78.152.40.218]
     14   115 ms   115 ms   114 ms  unknown.hwng.net [81.171.70.218]
     15   116 ms   115 ms   113 ms  gw.sto.valve.net [146.66.156.1]
    
    Trace complete.
    Last edited by Nighthawk; 02-06-2013 at 05:14 PM.

  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7_ShininGAngel View Post
    C:\Users\acer>tracert 146.66.153.140

    Tracing route to 146.66.153.140 over a maximum of 30 hops

    1 1 ms 1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
    2 24 ms 23 ms 26 ms 188.158.88.1
    3 24 ms 24 ms 23 ms 10.56.210.9
    4 24 ms 23 ms 23 ms 89.165.3.137
    5 35 ms 37 ms 37 ms 78.38.245.97
    6 36 ms 37 ms 35 ms 10.10.36.117
    7 36 ms 37 ms 36 ms 10.10.53.249
    8 340 ms 339 ms 339 ms nyk-b7-link.telia.net [213.248.69.69]
    9 346 ms 334 ms 333 ms nyk-b6-link.telia.net [80.91.252.53]
    10 334 ms 334 ms 333 ms nyk-bb1-link.telia.net [213.155.133.10]
    11 336 ms 339 ms 337 ms ffm-bb1-link.telia.net [213.155.131.144]
    12 * 377 ms 338 ms ffm-b10-link.telia.net [80.91.247.185]
    13 341 ms 347 ms 347 ms valve-ic-157467-ffm-b10.c.telia.net [213.248.101
    .90]
    14 350 ms 350 ms 351 ms 146-66-154-227.valve.net [146.66.154.227]
    bro from your trace we can see that packets from your isp is being routed via usa to europe. its hoping around half the earth!. which isp are you using parsonline? datak? sabanet?

    i would suggest you to contact isp and ask them for some optimization( i dnt think they will agree) or you can chck for pings on USA east! post a traceroute to USA east and let us know if there is a lowered ping than europe.

  6. #36
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    Tracing route to 146.66.153.110 over a maximum of 30 hops

    1 24 ms 24 ms 23 ms 188.158.88.1
    2 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms 10.56.210.9
    3 23 ms 25 ms 23 ms 89.165.3.137
    4 35 ms 36 ms 35 ms 78.38.245.189
    5 35 ms 39 ms 35 ms 10.10.36.253
    6 124 ms 125 ms 124 ms so-3-1-3.elst-rgr1.ug.ip.rostelecom.ru [188.128.
    88.157]
    7 151 ms 152 ms 151 ms xe-3-1-0.stkm-ar2.intl.ip.rostelecom.ru [87.226.
    133.135]
    8 229 ms 228 ms 228 ms s-b3-link.telia.net [62.115.11.57]
    9 227 ms 227 ms 226 ms s-bb2-link.telia.net [80.91.253.227]
    10 227 ms 229 ms 230 ms ffm-bb2-link.telia.net [213.155.131.48]
    11 230 ms 228 ms 229 ms ffm-b10-link.telia.net [80.91.251.124]
    12 231 ms 234 ms 232 ms valve-ic-157467-ffm-b10.c.telia.net [213.248.101
    .90]
    13 231 ms 234 ms 225 ms 146-66-154-227.valve.net [146.66.154.227]
    14 * * * Request timed out.
    15 * * * Request timed out.
    16 * * * Request timed out.
    17 * * * Request timed out.
    18 * * * Request timed out.
    19 * * * Request timed out.
    20 * * * Request timed out.
    21 * * * Request timed out.
    22 * * * Request timed out.
    23 * * * Request timed out.
    24 * * * Request timed out.
    25 * * * Request timed out.
    26 * * * Request timed out.
    27 * * * Request timed out.
    28 * * * Request timed out.
    29 * * * Request timed out.
    30 * * * Request timed out.

    Trace complete.

    C:\Users\acer>89.148.35.2377.185

    13:20 Seattle time
    I had 250ms ping this time ingame.
    My ISP is sabanet yes, not sure if changing ISP will work.
    I could call them but can they do something about it?
    Last edited by 7_ShininGAngel; 02-06-2013 at 03:17 PM.

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    The problem looks like it is Telecom Italia/seabone which is his ISP's upstream provider. Telecom Italia are peering in both New York and Frankfurt with Telia. Unfortunately telecom Italia are usin New York as the peering point with Telia for our network rather than Frankfurt. Telia is doing the right thing and using New York for US originated traffic and Frankfurt for EU originate traffic.

    This gets tricky to fix since there are policies, provider strategies and customer hints that all come into play. Sometimes it is just a mistake. But there are 3 parties involved. I may be able to influence this from my side but it is a lot of work to try and tweak the routes for every network out there. I don't have an army of network engineers. There is just me

    Quote Originally Posted by ZyPhyrus View Post
    bro from your trace we can see that packets from your isp is being routed via usa to europe. its hoping around half the earth!. which isp are you using parsonline? datak? sabanet?

    i would suggest you to contact isp and ask them for some optimization( i dnt think they will agree) or you can chck for pings on USA east! post a traceroute to USA east and let us know if there is a lowered ping than europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milton View Post
    The problem looks like it is Telecom Italia/seabone which is his ISP's upstream provider. Telecom Italia are peering in both New York and Frankfurt with Telia. Unfortunately telecom Italia are usin New York as the peering point with Telia for our network rather than Frankfurt. Telia is doing the right thing and using New York for US originated traffic and Frankfurt for EU originate traffic.

    This gets tricky to fix since there are policies, provider strategies and customer hints that all come into play. Sometimes it is just a mistake. But there are 3 parties involved. I may be able to influence this from my side but it is a lot of work to try and tweak the routes for every network out there. I don't have an army of network engineers. There is just me
    Thanks for the info and help.
    If this is some kind of policy or strategy by my ISP it must be new because I used to play with 200ms ping but my ISP took an arrow in the knee.
    So I guess currently the only possible solution for me is to live with it. ^^
    I'm gonna let my ISP know I'm not happy with this, I'm their 4 year loyal customer they should do something for me.

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    Tukey has the best location in middle east for new server.
    Great network system, large gamer potential, central location, also close to Balkans and Russia.

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    Physical locality doesn't mean network locality unfortunately. We need to find a point where all the countries in the region and providers peer, but it also need to be physically close as well otherwise we end up in the situation where traffic goes to Europe and back rather than across a neighboring border.


    Quote Originally Posted by polderast View Post
    Tukey has the best location in middle east for new server.
    Great network system, large gamer potential, central location, also close to Balkans and Russia.

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