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Thread: [Feedback] Bot Item Build Changes (still WIP)

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    Haven't seen him use blink ulti. But he does good use of sandstorm, burrowstrike, blink to get out of trouble. Offensive-wise, his stuns are okay, but he seems to neglect the aoe: he usually stuns just 1 target. I've seen worse SKs in pubs, tbh.
    As far as Jakiro goes, I haven't changed his build so far and yet he plays very effective. The icepaths are way better than e.g. Lions stuns. Ult usage is decent. Sheepstick after meka seems kind of bad, but I haven't bothered to change it.

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    I just saw him use blink ulti I don't think it was perfectly queued but it was still very effective. Perhaps too effective! I don't know if the bots know how scary his ult is yet. But they do know that they need to duke to avoid his burrowstrike.

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    I don't frequent the forum much, so I'm new around here, please bear with me. I play a lot of bot matches and lately I've been having trouble on how to deal with my teammate bots standing or clumping together inside AoE nukes such as Jakiro's macropyre, causing their deaths. So my question is, is there any way to change how the bots reacts to nukes or possibly how they should behave and act accordingly to certain situations?

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    I made Omniknight into Carryknight. He's pretty boss (some odd usage of his ult/repel when respawning besides). And who knew: he knows how to use Midas. Well, kind of, he always uses it on lane creeps. Which I suppose is appropriate enough to push out lanes. But the good thing is that he absolutely uses it religiously when it is off cooldown. He power leveled in the game he was in and at one point (before Viper stomped everything off the face of the earth) he was pushing 720xp/min, ~600/gold. 148 last hits, which is more or less what you'd expect if a human was playing this build.

    Basically in a game where Viper doesn't exist he can probably carry really really well. He even started mid vs Death Prophet.

    http://i.imgur.com/UKxhzib.jpg

    CK nice feed! Seriously though, how can we disable Viper? 41/2/8. I might just make him a pure support and remove his items until he's fixed (or the bots know how to deal with him).

    Carryknight: Soul Ring> stout shield> boots> Midas> Drum> Skadi> Manta> travels> BKB> Sheep stick> Shivas

    He will transition out of lane to farm his Skadi appropriately. I made Manta lux so that he will get involved in team activities. After this BoT is extension so that it has slightly more farming preference, and if it's going late, then it's going late - the rest of the items are core since at that stage he'll need to farm them pretty hard. Works really well.


    Code:
    		"Bot"
    		{
    			"Loadout"
    			{	
    				"item_clarity"					"ITEM_CONSUMABLE | ITEM_SELLABLE"
    				"item_quelling_blade"			"ITEM_CORE | ITEM_SELLABLE"
    				"item_flask"					"ITEM_CONSUMABLE | ITEM_SELLABLE"
    				"item_tango"					"ITEM_CONSUMABLE | ITEM_SELLABLE"
    				"item_recipe_soul_ring"			"ITEM_CORE"
    				
    				"item_ring_of_regen"			"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_sobi_mask"				"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_soul_ring"				"ITEM_DERIVED | ITEM_SELLABLE"
    						
    				"item_boots"					"ITEM_CORE"
    				
    				"item_stout_shield"				"ITEM_CORE | ITEM_SELLABLE"
    							
    				"item_gloves"					"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_recipe_hand_of_midas"		"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_hand_of_midas"			"ITEM_DERIVED"
    				
    				"item_gauntlets"				"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_circlet"					"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_recipe_bracer"			"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_bracer"					"ITEM_DERIVED"
    				"item_robe"						"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_recipe_ancient_janggo"	"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_ancient_janggo"			"ITEM_DERIVED | ITEM_SELLABLE"
    				
    				"item_ultimate_orb"				"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_ultimate_orb"				"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_point_booster"			"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_orb_of_venom"				"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_skadi"					"ITEM_DERIVED"
    				
    				"item_blade_of_alacrity"		"ITEM_LUXURY"
    				"item_boots_of_elves"			"ITEM_LUXURY"
    				"item_recipe_yasha"				"ITEM_LUXURY"
    				"item_yasha"					"ITEM_DERIVED"
    				"item_ultimate_orb"				"ITEM_LUXURY"
    				"item_recipe_manta"				"ITEM_LUXURY"
    				"item_manta"					"ITEM_DERIVED"
    				
    				"item_recipe_travel_boots"		"ITEM_EXTENSION"
    				"item_travel_boots"				"ITEM_DERIVED"
    				
    				"item_mithril_hammer"			"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_ogre_axe"					"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_recipe_black_king_bar"	"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_black_king_bar"			"ITEM_DERIVED"
    							
    				"item_ultimate_orb"				"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_void_stone"				"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_mystic_staff"				"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_sheepstick"				"ITEM_DERIVED"
    				
    				"item_platemail"				"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_mystic_staff"				"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_recipe_shivas_guard"		"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_shivas_guard"				"ITEM_DERIVED"
    			}
    			"Build"
    			{
    				"1"		"omniknight_purification"
    				"2"		"omniknight_repel"
    				"3"		"omniknight_purification"
    				"4"		"omniknight_degen_aura"
    				"5"		"omniknight_purification"
    				"6"		"omniknight_guardian_angel"
    				"7"		"omniknight_purification"
    				"8"		"omniknight_degen_aura"
    				"9"		"omniknight_degen_aura"
    				"10"	"omniknight_repel"
    				"11"	"omniknight_guardian_angel"
    				"12"	"omniknight_repel"
    				"13"	"omniknight_repel"
    				"14"	"omniknight_degen_aura"
    				"15"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"16"	"omniknight_guardian_angel"
    				"17"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"18"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"19"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"20"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"21"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"22"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"23"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"24"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"25"	"attribute_bonus"
    			}
    			"HeroType"		"DOTA_BOT_HARD_CARRY | DOTA_BOT_SEMI_CARRY | DOTA_BOT_PUSH_SUPPORT"
    			"LaningInfo"
    			{
    				"SoloDesire"			"1"
    				"RequiresBabysit"		"0"
    				"ProvidesBabysit"		"1"
    				"SurvivalRating"		"2"
    				"RequiresFarm"			"2"
    				"ProvidesSetup"			"0"
    				"RequiresSetup"			"0"
    			}
    		}
    Last edited by cinephile; 03-25-2013 at 03:11 AM. Reason: changed build to avoid selling of Midas, etc

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    To disable Viper you just need to change this:
    Code:
    "BotImplemented" "1" to "BotImplemented" "0"

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    Thanks. I'll give that a go

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    I just copied your Omniknight. I tried to make him a carry before but I failed. Let's check how he performs now.

    I thought, I'd share my Death Prophet build as she is always very bossy and turns around many games - if not matched against viper that is, of course:
    Code:
    "Loadout"
    			{
    				"item_tango"					"ITEM_CONSUMABLE | ITEM_SELLABLE"
    				"item_flask"					"ITEM_CONSUMABLE | ITEM_SELLABLE"
    				"item_branches"					"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_branches"					"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_ring_of_protection"		"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_branches"					"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_magic_stick"				"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_recipe_magic_wand"		"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_magic_wand"				"ITEM_DERIVED | ITEM_SELLABLE"
    				"item_sobi_mask"				"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_ring_of_basilius"			"ITEM_DERIVED | ITEM_SELLABLE"
    				"item_boots"					"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_energy_booster"			"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_arcane_boots"				"ITEM_DERIVED"
    				"item_vitality_booster"			"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_staff_of_wizardry"		"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_staff_of_wizardry"		"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_rod_of_atos"				"ITEM_DERIVED"
    				"item_void_stone"				"ITEM_CORE"
    				"item_ring_of_health"			"ITEM_LUXURY"
    				"item_pers"						"ITEM_DERIVED"
    				"item_ultimate_orb"				"ITEM_EXTENSION"
    				"item_recipe_sphere"			"ITEM_EXTENSION"
    				"item_sphere"					"ITEM_DERIVED"
    				"item_platemail"				"ITEM_LUXURY"
    				"item_mystic_staff"				"ITEM_LUXURY"
    				"item_recipe_shivas_guard"		"ITEM_LUXURY"
    				"item_shivas_guard"				"ITEM_DERIVED"
    				"item_reaver"					"ITEM_LUXURY"
    				"item_vitality_booster"			"ITEM_LUXURY"
    				"item_recipe_heart"				"ITEM_LUXURY"
    				"item_heart"					"ITEM_DERIVED"
    				"item_shadow_amulet"			"ITEM_LUXURY"
    				"item_claymore"					"ITEM_LUXURY"
    				"item_invis_sword"				"ITEM_DERIVED"
    			}
    			"Build"
    			{
    				"1"		"death_prophet_carrion_swarm"
    				"2"		"death_prophet_witchcraft"
    				"3"		"death_prophet_carrion_swarm"
    				"4"		"death_prophet_silence"
    				"5"		"death_prophet_carrion_swarm"
    				"6"		"death_prophet_exorcism"
    				"7"		"death_prophet_carrion_swarm"
    				"8"		"death_prophet_witchcraft"
    				"9"		"death_prophet_witchcraft"
    				"10"	"death_prophet_witchcraft"
    				"11"	"death_prophet_exorcism"
    				"12"	"death_prophet_silence"
    				"13"	"death_prophet_silence"
    				"14"	"death_prophet_silence"
    				"15"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"16"	"death_prophet_exorcism"
    				"17"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"18"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"19"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"20"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"21"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"22"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"23"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"24"	"attribute_bonus"
    				"25"	"attribute_bonus"
    			}
    			"HeroType"				"DOTA_BOT_PUSH_SUPPORT | DOTA_BOT_SEMI_CARRY"
    			"LaningInfo"
    			{
    				"SoloDesire"			"2"
    				"RequiresBabysit"		"0"
    				"ProvidesBabysit"		"1"
    				"SurvivalRating"		"1"
    				"RequiresFarm"			"2"
    				"ProvidesSetup"			"0"
    				"RequiresSetup"			"0"
    			}
    Another question: I tried to make Jugger farm but he sells his Midas over the healthpot, quelling blade or stout shield... How can I prevent this from happening? I don't wanna make Midas not sellable. Omni does it fine. He sells his Drums over the Soul Ring, but at least he doesn't keep his QB 50min in.
    Last edited by Karyoplasma; 03-22-2013 at 01:07 PM.

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    Hmm.. My changes are too many to count, but I've found Viper to be a kind of non-issue to my bots... Sure, he'll be scary and things, but I've never seen him get such ridiculous hero kill scores up.
    The only reason I can imagine this being the case is my role changes, as just improved item choices shouldn't be enough to prevent him from doing that.
    I don't use multiple hero roles, it merely causes the bots to pick up semi-carries for support purposes and then regard them as if they're a CM for farm priority.

    In the game you linked, if your CK had the farm of your Omniknight he would've easily killed Viper. But alas, he was no doubt picked for support and stood back while Witch Doctor took the last hits.

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    Would you mind uploading your npc_heroes.txt and link it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karyoplasma View Post
    Would you mind uploading your npc_heroes.txt and link it?
    I'll upload it tomorrow, I haven't touched it in about a week and when I last did I screwed around with some builds in odd ways as I was messing around with hero abilities. (Namely by making them all global range or doubling their AoE and things, the bots are quite hilarious when their spells have infinite range)
    So I'll just revert those changes make some changes to the newly added heroes and upload it somewhere tomorrow. (Didn't get much time to experiment with Omni/Lion either)

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