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    Angry Friendly bots are blatantly feeding the enemy bot team

    This is how this went: Ever since the second last DOTA2 update that happened as of this moment (2/13/2013), the friendly bots have been suicidal. I decided to test out the Bountyhunter hero, so I created a Medium Bot only match, and had to quit it because the enemy team was getting about 1 kill per minute, if not more, and were ridiculously more powerful than I, and that happened again for 5 more times, until I finally got a match were my bots weren't being stupid (By the way, all the deaths in those 6 matches were of bots, and almost none of them were of the bot laning with me, so it was not me being a bad player). So, I quit the game for a while and go do other stuff, and today, I decide to try out the Drow Ranger, and the exact same thing happened again. The friendly bots on the other lanes are just feeding themselves to the enemy, and it's pissing me off. Whatever happened with their AI, it has to be reversed, and it has to be something done on purpose, bots only screw up on purpose (programmed flubbs by the bot so the player will have a chance), or by a glitch, and I highly doubt a glitch this blatant is just punching me in the face all the time. And the enemy team is not dying, at all, so, again, either someone at the dev team messed around with the friendly bot AI, or this is a really specific bug. Also, support bots are not healing me when I actually need it, only when I took about 50 damage and still have nearly full health. I did check the DOTA2 files with Steam, so it's not like my game broke and that's why the bots are being useless. Sorry for the anger in this, but if there is one thing I do not accept in the games I play is unfairness, and the bots have no excuse to be playing like complete idiots when they are on the same difficulty as the enemy team. And, to finish this rant that wants simply answers on what the heck is going on, here's a confused face, followed by an angry face

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    Bots have hivemind so they play worse when there's someone missing for their 5 man strat (human player)

    Solutions

    a) suggest your bots to pick Viper. Bots will always feed Viper, guaranteed no-challenge game.

    b) play with friends

    c) get better, don't lane with bots and take the mid lane (aka dominating the bots if you're decent)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KlausKinski View Post
    Bots have hivemind so they play worse when there's someone missing for their 5 man strat (human player)

    Solutions

    a) suggest your bots to pick Viper. Bots will always feed Viper, guaranteed no-challenge game.

    b) play with friends

    c) get better, don't lane with bots and take the mid lane (aka dominating the bots if you're decent)
    I didn't know of the first one, so thanks for the tip, also, I don't have any friends to play with, all the people I know either don't play this, are freaking Call of Duty fanboys (If you want to get REALLY angry, try playing with one of those, I think even Ghandi would want to kill someone after such an experience), or refuse to play DOTA2 because it's not League of Legends =\

    Oh, or won't play with me cause I'm not very good at this game. *sigh*

    And I guess I should've tried going mid, but I just tend to do best when with someone, specially as Jakiro on top.

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    Yeah, bots will feed whenever against Viper or Venomancer - I don't think they understand damage-over-time abilities properly.
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    Huskar is a good choice against bots, if you pick broodmother, you will regret it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rat-ct View Post
    Huskar is a good choice against bots, if you pick broodmother, you will regret it.
    I kinda decided to pick Broodmother, just to kinda see what you meant by it, and, vs. medium bots, 20-1-15 was my score. Not sure what you meant by that, maybe you mean "If you tell friendly bots to use Broodmother".

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    He means broodmother is horribly bugged with bots, because of their behavior with invisibility. You can take advantage of their weird yet predictable behavior, or be ridiculously annoyed with not being able to properly practice the hero.

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    To add something to the topic:
    I feel that the OP has a point. It is very hard to convince your bots to play more passive when you are in a disadvantageous position. They always will initiate stupid fights without you (the human player) being in proximity and they will try to push as 2 or 3 just to be obliterated while the remainder of the bots jungles. The junglers then usually proceed to trickle into the enemy deathball 1 by 1 leaving the human player to defend the base on his own. It is even hard to defend when your bots somehow manage to be alive to defend the base because -as far as I observed- they refuse to use their spells/fight properly against enemies that are more farmed than themselves. I've had countless scenarios like this: A CK/WD combo is pushing mid while 3 of my bots are alive. I ping CK to make the bots use their spells on them, but no avail. They just run up to them and feed. I think it's because they are too afraid of starting a fight or just consider the hero I am pinging as too hard to kill even when we got a clear shot at doing so. "The only thing I expect from the bots is to listen to my commands as if they were the words of God."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karyoplasma View Post
    To add something to the topic:
    I feel that the OP has a point. It is very hard to convince your bots to play more passive when you are in a disadvantageous position. They always will initiate stupid fights without you (the human player) being in proximity and they will try to push as 2 or 3 just to be obliterated while the remainder of the bots jungles. The junglers then usually proceed to trickle into the enemy deathball 1 by 1 leaving the human player to defend the base on his own.
    Yup this is a big problem. Bots have no respect for being outnumbered sometimes and pinging I've found honestly only makes it worse. Then once the 2vs5 fight starts, they get slaughtered and then walk in and die one at a time. Sometimes bots who didn't contribute to the fight go 'Hey guyz, I'm gunna push all by myself and die when three enemies surround me'

    Edit: Was playing just now a fairly enjoyable game as Crystal Maiden going 8-2-10 until team fights started going to hell. This is a lesser example, typically all the bots would die to the same trick.



    I pause because I know a team fight is looming and based on what rubbish had happened until then I knew this was a perfect time to get the camera out.

    The plan: I give the bots the benefit of the doubt, who knows what might happen this time? I am with Drow on the right hand side of where the fight is to take place. Lina, Chaos Knight and Witch Doctor are ready to engage at top. There is only three of them there and Viper their key attacker is not present, we have fairly good odds here. When they push the tower and Chaos/Lina/WD retreat back, they will be trapped between the five of us and die horribly.

    What actually happens: Chaos Knight runs in suicidally, gets silenced and focused down. Kunnka sends in a boat and nails WD and Lina (up until then this had been nailing everyone but me and then everyone got torrented), WD decides to go in anyway and gets focused down. At this point I'm just going to try harass and get out to save whoever survives but I don't realize Lina is in full retreat by this point (and for good reason to be fair) then I get shreded to pieces. What was Drow doing this whole time? Rather than group up with me, she decides to farm their jungle... well done Drow!

    Edit edit: Sorry but seeing as my internet connection is a bit inconsistent I've been forced to play the bots a bit. I do anyway but games like this really really frustrate me. Look at how many times my bots died versus them and the amount of gold some of them had on them... I mean seriously!? I'm amazed I held out as long as I did

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    A lowlight in the match was this. Seeing as the team was obviously feeding like crazy with well over double digit deaths early on and the game looked in trouble, I decided to try Divine Rapier, kill Roshan (2 of them were dead) and get immortality seeing as Medusa is pretty damn tanky, even with all this going on, I had the fewest deaths of anybody on either team. Unfortunately, Tiny comes in last minute to 'help' then steals the immortality while I'm trying to drop my bottle @_@. He 'died' literally 10 seconds later...

    I end up losing the Rapier due to the entire team fountain diving me and getting away with it, to be fair I've never seen anything like it from the bots and it was a good call from their side as they weren't going to die unless someone from my team bought in.

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    Last edited by Peachrocks; 02-18-2013 at 03:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KlausKinski View Post
    Bots have hivemind so they play worse when there's someone missing for their 5 man strat (human player)
    I'm not convinced it's that simple. I often play with my friend in bot games, leaving three bots on our team. One of the bots will suicide into a 5 man push, while the other two aren't there. If it's humans messing up their hive mind, wouldn't it instead be three bots suiciding against five?

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