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    Quote Originally Posted by Djdkdjdkdjdk View Post
    How am I being rude and disrespectful? In no way was I trying to insult you. All I was saying is that you posted without actually reading the OP and that you were probably trolling me with your ignorant post. I simply characterize what I've written as constructive criticism. I have nothing against you so don't be offended.
    I'm not sure if you're trolling or are just that ignorant. I would love to explain how wrong your post is, but I'd rather reply to people who actually have common sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by fletcher View Post
    Just to clarify, there was never any "win rate" calculation. Ever. It is true that a goal of matchmaking is to make even teams. The matchmaker also will raise your Elo and try to put you in players of equivalent skill, which indirectly tries to get the win rate to 50%. However, it has never looked at your historical win rate and put you in a game where it knew that you were expected to lose.
    Is every post on this forum about the Dunning-Kruger effect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by magicmerl View Post
    I'm not sure if you're trolling or are just that ignorant. I would love to explain how wrong your post is, but I'd rather reply to people who actually have common sense.
    <sarcasm> Reported. </sarcasm>
    We need a player review system like Overwatch for DotA 2. Get real people to judge communication abuse, intentional skill abuse, and intentional feeding.



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    solution to all matchmaking problems (and even mutes) :
    http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=92883

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    I dont even understand why you bother. There is no chance that this will have any impact what so ever.

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    Sick of this MM aswell.

    I would rather quit dota then to watch how people suck at this game. I'm also in very high MM and what i've seen today is unbelivable, a guy dieing 8 times in 5 minutes on mid, offlaner rage quit after dieing like retard and i get a lose becouse of that..is it my god damn fault that he left? i've busted my b*** to try to win but ofc we couldn't do it..

    i usually don't play APs becouse they are filled with nabs even in vhs..but i did join for AP que for my last game and ofc what happens....worst possible picks that can be made, no chance to lane, couldn't do anything. what amazed me our wr with 800 wins tried to deward their ward so he putted it straight on to the camp so he blocked it once again XD...seriously?

    how do people even get to vhs? how do nabs like that get to +20 in wins which i belive is enough for vhs?
    Are valve officials even reading this? do they answer to stuff like this?
    Are you working on improving it? if you do what is your plan? Just give me some hope for the future becouse i cba to play anymore...

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    Quote Originally Posted by erik-the-red View Post
    <sarcasm> Reported. </sarcasm>
    The bit you *might* have missed is that my 'post' there was actually one that he posted (to me) earlier.

    I agree with you that it's an insulting way to talk to someone.
    Quote Originally Posted by fletcher View Post
    Just to clarify, there was never any "win rate" calculation. Ever. It is true that a goal of matchmaking is to make even teams. The matchmaker also will raise your Elo and try to put you in players of equivalent skill, which indirectly tries to get the win rate to 50%. However, it has never looked at your historical win rate and put you in a game where it knew that you were expected to lose.
    Is every post on this forum about the Dunning-Kruger effect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djdkdjdkdjdk View Post
    If it gets enough posts maybe, just maybe it will.
    Probably this^
    But i hope that devs seriously stop doing this crap and fix of abusing report system.
    So people who troll and crap can get even more report points to continue troll even more people.
    Trolls are people who want to get on your nerves. They will usually lurk around the forums and wait for an opportunity to annoy or attack a user.
    The best way to ignore a troll is not to flame back, but to report and move on. Trolls are no good and should be exiled.
    Example of such trolls are D.E.A, Lucky Red,Nox Aeterna
    etc.. If you come across these, but ignore and move on.

    I'm recording everygame from now on and uploading Youtube

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djdkdjdkdjdk View Post
    I have 4 things to complain about.

    First off, the matchmaking system.

    This has been discussed numerous times, I understand. I've been solo queuing ever since I started playing Dota 2. With a few occasional 2 stacks or 3 stacks. I understand that the matchmaking makes sure that you are 50% winrate. Some people are slightly below due to them being simply bad or unlucky, some are slightly above due to being good or lucky. However, I was in very high matchmaking. All my games that I played were in Very High Matchmaking under watch>recent games. I was literally getting 2-3 wins then 2-3 losses constantly evening out. Just last week however I played a game where someone abandoned the game and it was in very high mmr. Then after that game I played a game where 2 people on my team were feeding, it was in very high mmr as well. The heroes that were feeding weren't supports, they were our mid and our safe lane farmer. Then the next game a situation similar to this happens, both heroes feed nonstop so they go to other lanes and start feeding this time it wasn't in very high mmr i started dropping in mmr. Then I have another game where my team feeds. Then I have another game where someone abandons. Then I have another game where its both. See a trend? I lost about 8-12 times in a row. After losing that many times I luckily landed a game where my team was bad, but the other team was worse. However after winning that game my losing streak happened again, about 4-6 times. You may say "oh that isin't bad..." well I win 2-3 times I'm feeling alright, but no I lost around 10 times again. You can say "oh just work your way back to very high mmr" or "stop feeding, its your fault" or "you're just unlucky" that is false. After my 3rd losing streak I won about twice, then I lost around 6-8 times again. Then I finally get a win just yesterday but guess what, steam updated so the game apparently never happened. Nobody d/ced a single time during the game, and even after I won it didn't even count. After "winning" a game then finding out it didn't even count I took a break. I come back just today and I've lost 5 times today due to feeders/abandons. This makes no sense. How can I go from being in very high mmr constantly playing well and consistent then suddenly drop to below average mmr. This isin't even very high mmr anymore, this is constant normal mmr. Why would you matchmake me with people my level then suddenly randomly place me with 1-4 people who feed nonstop, people who don't even speak english, people who constantly trash talk, people who constantly swear offensively, people who abandon the game as if its nothing, and overall bad players. This needs to be fixed...

    Second off, the mute system.

    I was muted once due to talking back to a trash talker. Once I got muted I realized the massive penalty it is and how much it hinders my team. I realized that you shouldn't argue over the internet over trivial things. So after 24 hours I was unmuted. I was happy I was able to say what lane I was going to and that I was able to say gj, ss, or gg. Afterwards I would mute people who argue or are rude. Lately I've been playing with a lot of feeders (as mentioned in my matchmaking part) so after they die 2-3 times, I suggest something to them. Instead they are rude to me and just report me for being annoying. When all I've said was "can you please stop feeding and play more carefully" Instead they feed more and insult me. Since I've constantly been playing with feeders I'm constantly suggesting the same thing. When I got muted the 2nd time I was really upset. I was muted for (I believe 2 days?) no reason. The only thing I've said was the lane I was going to, missing, roshan, "please stop feeding and play more carefully", and a couple of other basic things such as push mid. I brushed it off as just a mistake and that i won't happen again. Once it came off I was relieved and was able to say what lane I was going to. However just today I was muted for 180 hours. I was enraged. I learned my lesson the first time to never argue with a rude player. I made sure to never get muted again due to the mass detriment it causes to the team since you are unable to ping or talk or anything. After getting muted the second time I was slightly annoyed because it was for no reason, but I decided to cope with it since it was most likely just a mistake. Even though it was around 2 days of being muted I didn't mind it since it wasn't that long. When I was unmuted, I was motivated even more to just not even talk at all. So I rarely talked, I picked my hero and chose my lane. Occasionally pinging to gank. And if someone said something close to being offensive or rude I would just mute them and be done with it. After finding out I got muted for 180 HOURS. I was upset and have lost almost all faith in Valve. The mute system should have NEVER BEEN IMPLEMENTED. There is already an INBUILT MUTE THAT IS OPTIONAL. I don't understand why you have 2 different mute systems. All you have to do is mute the person via scoreboard.

    Third off, the report system.

    The report system has been changed so that you can only report a few times per week. This is really silly due to the fact that like I said earlier I've constantly been playing with feeders and trash talkers. This is a massive pain and allows many rule breakers to roam free. And guess what its massively flawed too as I mentioned earlier I was muted TWICE for 10++ days FOR NO REASON. Why would you implement a system so flawed and incomplete. Also there is a bug that whenever I open up Dota 2 and get to the main screen I get a "Your report has been recieved, thank you for making Dota 2 a better place" thing is it happens constantly and nonstop. Apparently once your report has been receieved you get a report back so that you can report again. Well I haven't gotten ANY reports back so that I could report more people. Also why should I report when the people I report don't even get punished while the innocent DO get punished. You may say "Oh the majority of the rulebreakers get punished" thats false, I've reported numerous people and guess what, I run into them again trash talking. I consider myself innocent due to the fact that I was muted twice for no reason for lengthy durations and I'm not the only one too, some of my friends have been muted for no reason.

    Fourth off, the Dota 2 economy system.

    STOP FOCUSING ON IMPLEMENTING ITEMS. I UNDERSTAND YOU NEED TO MAKE MONEY FOR YOUR GAME BUT YOU SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON FINISHING THE GAME SINCE YOU WILL BENEFIT FROM IT IN THE LONGRUN.

    MISCELLANEOUS-----------------------------------------------------------------

    I understand that the International 3 is coming up but matchmaking has always been messed up and has been neglected for too long and the mute system was added without anyone even knowing about it and it didn't even get a poll or anything. Also the cosmetics have been over the top lately. Please try to fix these issues, even if it means no heroes for a month.

    +1 To remove the mute system, there already is a mute built into the scoreboard, why add another mute?

    +1 To fix the matchmaking for solo queuers (People should NOT have to 5 stack, overtime it gets boring playing with the same people, it gets annoying playing with rude people)

    I appreciate all feedback to my thread and I DO NOT appreciate trolls, people who haven't read the entire OP and understood it, and overall rude/disrespectful people.
    I worked my ass to write a post about mute system and LOTS of other issues and the site logged me off meanwhile. I spent 1 hour for the post and I couldn't actually post it. (RAGE)

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    Matchmaking needs a ranking system;
    Mute system, while in dire need of improvement, is a solid system;
    About reporting system. Either you are incredibly unlucky or you just overexaggerate. Feeders are not seen that often, and because of the mute system, there are less trash talkers;
    Dota 2 economy - you're terribly uninformed. Community makes items. ast kind of items Valve did is for the Compendium stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djdkdjdkdjdk View Post
    I have 4 things to complain about.

    First off, the matchmaking system.

    This has been discussed numerous times, I understand. I've been solo queuing ever since I started playing Dota 2. With a few occasional 2 stacks or 3 stacks. I understand that the matchmaking makes sure that you are 50% winrate. Some people are slightly below due to them being simply bad or unlucky, some are slightly above due to being good or lucky. However, I was in very high matchmaking. All my games that I played were in Very High Matchmaking under watch>recent games. I was literally getting 2-3 wins then 2-3 losses constantly evening out. Just last week however I played a game where someone abandoned the game and it was in very high mmr. Then after that game I played a game where 2 people on my team were feeding, it was in very high mmr as well. The heroes that were feeding weren't supports, they were our mid and our safe lane farmer. Then the next game a situation similar to this happens, both heroes feed nonstop so they go to other lanes and start feeding this time it wasn't in very high mmr i started dropping in mmr. Then I have another game where my team feeds. Then I have another game where someone abandons. Then I have another game where its both. See a trend? I lost about 8-12 times in a row. After losing that many times I luckily landed a game where my team was bad, but the other team was worse. However after winning that game my losing streak happened again, about 4-6 times. You may say "oh that isin't bad..." well I win 2-3 times I'm feeling alright, but no I lost around 10 times again. You can say "oh just work your way back to very high mmr" or "stop feeding, its your fault" or "you're just unlucky" that is false. After my 3rd losing streak I won about twice, then I lost around 6-8 times again. Then I finally get a win just yesterday but guess what, steam updated so the game apparently never happened. Nobody d/ced a single time during the game, and even after I won it didn't even count. After "winning" a game then finding out it didn't even count I took a break. I come back just today and I've lost 5 times today due to feeders/abandons. This makes no sense. How can I go from being in very high mmr constantly playing well and consistent then suddenly drop to below average mmr. This isin't even very high mmr anymore, this is constant normal mmr. Why would you matchmake me with people my level then suddenly randomly place me with 1-4 people who feed nonstop, people who don't even speak english, people who constantly trash talk, people who constantly swear offensively, people who abandon the game as if its nothing, and overall bad players. This needs to be fixed...

    Second off, the mute system.

    I was muted once due to talking back to a trash talker. Once I got muted I realized the massive penalty it is and how much it hinders my team. I realized that you shouldn't argue over the internet over trivial things. So after 24 hours I was unmuted. I was happy I was able to say what lane I was going to and that I was able to say gj, ss, or gg. Afterwards I would mute people who argue or are rude. Lately I've been playing with a lot of feeders (as mentioned in my matchmaking part) so after they die 2-3 times, I suggest something to them. Instead they are rude to me and just report me for being annoying. When all I've said was "can you please stop feeding and play more carefully" Instead they feed more and insult me. Since I've constantly been playing with feeders I'm constantly suggesting the same thing. When I got muted the 2nd time I was really upset. I was muted for (I believe 2 days?) no reason. The only thing I've said was the lane I was going to, missing, roshan, "please stop feeding and play more carefully", and a couple of other basic things such as push mid. I brushed it off as just a mistake and that i won't happen again. Once it came off I was relieved and was able to say what lane I was going to. However just today I was muted for 180 hours. I was enraged. I learned my lesson the first time to never argue with a rude player. I made sure to never get muted again due to the mass detriment it causes to the team since you are unable to ping or talk or anything. After getting muted the second time I was slightly annoyed because it was for no reason, but I decided to cope with it since it was most likely just a mistake. Even though it was around 2 days of being muted I didn't mind it since it wasn't that long. When I was unmuted, I was motivated even more to just not even talk at all. So I rarely talked, I picked my hero and chose my lane. Occasionally pinging to gank. And if someone said something close to being offensive or rude I would just mute them and be done with it. After finding out I got muted for 180 HOURS. I was upset and have lost almost all faith in Valve. The mute system should have NEVER BEEN IMPLEMENTED. There is already an INBUILT MUTE THAT IS OPTIONAL. I don't understand why you have 2 different mute systems. All you have to do is mute the person via scoreboard.

    Third off, the report system.

    The report system has been changed so that you can only report a few times per week. This is really silly due to the fact that like I said earlier I've constantly been playing with feeders and trash talkers. This is a massive pain and allows many rule breakers to roam free. And guess what its massively flawed too as I mentioned earlier I was muted TWICE for 10++ days FOR NO REASON. Why would you implement a system so flawed and incomplete. Also there is a bug that whenever I open up Dota 2 and get to the main screen I get a "Your report has been recieved, thank you for making Dota 2 a better place" thing is it happens constantly and nonstop. Apparently once your report has been receieved you get a report back so that you can report again. Well I haven't gotten ANY reports back so that I could report more people. Also why should I report when the people I report don't even get punished while the innocent DO get punished. You may say "Oh the majority of the rulebreakers get punished" thats false, I've reported numerous people and guess what, I run into them again trash talking. I consider myself innocent due to the fact that I was muted twice for no reason for lengthy durations and I'm not the only one too, some of my friends have been muted for no reason.

    Fourth off, the Dota 2 economy system.

    STOP FOCUSING ON IMPLEMENTING ITEMS. I UNDERSTAND YOU NEED TO MAKE MONEY FOR YOUR GAME BUT YOU SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON FINISHING THE GAME SINCE YOU WILL BENEFIT FROM IT IN THE LONGRUN.

    MISCELLANEOUS-----------------------------------------------------------------

    I understand that the International 3 is coming up but matchmaking has always been messed up and has been neglected for too long and the mute system was added without anyone even knowing about it and it didn't even get a poll or anything. Also the cosmetics have been over the top lately. Please try to fix these issues, even if it means no heroes for a month.

    +1 To remove the mute system, there already is a mute built into the scoreboard, why add another mute?

    +1 To fix the matchmaking for solo queuers (People should NOT have to 5 stack, overtime it gets boring playing with the same people, it gets annoying playing with rude people)

    I appreciate all feedback to my thread and I DO NOT appreciate trolls, people who haven't read the entire OP and understood it, and overall rude/disrespectful people.



    Developers please read it!

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