View Poll Results: Do you enjoy the new matchmaking?

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Thread: New Matchmaking

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    You can check my History. Account name is BIGBABO91. I had a lot of good games in the Past and for me the Matchmaking system was fine: Win with Stack, lose when solo. But now i only get matched up with newbies and i dont get why. I have 8 years dota experience, played standin for alliance and this is what i deserve?
    My Brother startet dota a few weeks ago and i started queuing with him to teach him, since there is no mentor system implementet. We obiously lost a lot of games since he had 0 wins and i had about 1000 we got matched up to people who were playing fine and since then, my matchmaking is broken and i only get matched up with people less then 200 hours playtime. This shouldnt be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by endario View Post
    Even if it does work (to some extend), it still can't explain why it take two years to realise and admit such obvious flaws, and to derive such obvious 'fixes', on a very core (if not most important) part of the game that directly affects player experience. This amazes me personally.

    People seriously need to reflect, improve their analytic skills/processes, and to stop treating the entire player base as complete liars and retards.
    Well, a pretty high percentage of the DotA 2 players are either retarded or drunken trolls, you can't misconceive that.

    Anyways, Ive only played one game so far, besides horrible picks on both sides it seems to be as horrible as ever.
    MEH

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    Quote Originally Posted by ugot.juked View Post
    My Brother startet dota a few weeks ago and i started queuing with him to teach him, since there is no mentor system implementet. We obiously lost a lot of games since he had 0 wins and i had about 1000 we got matched up to people who were playing fine and since then, my matchmaking is broken and i only get matched up with people less then 200 hours playtime. This shouldnt be...
    If you party with a noob, it is very likely that you will get matched with a noob. (Very likely it will find another party containing a noob and a player of approximately your skill level and put them on the other team.)

    If that situation is not ideal, might I ask who you think you should play against?

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    is new MM even out? the patch hasen't hit yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by fletcher View Post
    If you party with a noob, it is very likely that you will get matched with a noob. (Very likely it will find another party containing a noob and a player of approximately your skill level and put them on the other team.)

    If that situation is not ideal, might I ask who you think you should play against?
    I think he's saying that his ELO was degraded by his bad games with his brother, and now when he doesn't play with his brother, he's being paired with lower skill players than he is accustomed to.

    ugot.juked: Use a smurf account to party with noobs.
    Quote Originally Posted by fletcher View Post
    Just to clarify, there was never any "win rate" calculation. Ever. It is true that a goal of matchmaking is to make even teams. The matchmaker also will raise your Elo and try to put you in players of equivalent skill, which indirectly tries to get the win rate to 50%. However, it has never looked at your historical win rate and put you in a game where it knew that you were expected to lose.
    Is every post on this forum about the Dunning-Kruger effect?

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    w8 valve implemented elo in the matchmaking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akari~n View Post
    w8 valve implemented elo in the matchmaking?
    Elo have always existed afaik.

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    I thought i saw the info of new update about match making, but it doesnt work. My wins above 1k1 but now i always get the low wins player equal noob in game. Some match i got teammate with the wins below 100. How does the match making work ? it not fair. You play to gain so much wins then play with the low priority match.
    some match ID i played: 246588864, 246571707, 246551457, ...
    Why don't you make a match by the average wins and the wins same like on every player ingame with the marks of wins as 100-300, 300-500, 500-800, 800-1k1, etc...
    this match making now make me feel disappointed.

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    ELO isn't something League created, in case people weren't aware of that.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system

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    Quote Originally Posted by fletcher View Post
    >I still got 600 win vs 60 win players.

    If you post a match ID, I might be able to help explain why it decided to form the match. Either it will help us improve the tuning, or there's probably some piece of data that makes it make sense that we are not exposing.

    We are looking for a way to provide information to players to help them understand why matches were formed in a way that doesn't lead to abuse of whoever the "worst" player is (according to whatever metric is preferable to the person giving the abuse). In the meantime, walking through some particular matches will help us better understand where it's still getting things wrong, or educate players about how it's making its decisions.

    Just to clarify, there was never any "win rate" calculation. Ever. It is true that a goal of matchmaking is to make even teams, so that the odds of the Radiant winning any given match is 50%. The matchmaker also will raise your Elo and try to put you in players of equivalent skill, which indirectly tries to get the win rate to 50%. However, it has never looked at your historical win rate and, for example, put you in a game where it knew that you were expected to lose, to end a winning streak, or given you a stomp to end a losing streak.
    246567968
    246582974
    246632363

    3 of my last 4 games, there is at least one on my team who has less or around 100 wins, the games are more balanced tho (in some games we had 3 or 4 retards each team, so I stomped, but it's still better than before the patch), with last week's patch the game kept throwing me new people who destroyed my game but it seems more or less fixed (not balanced, but better than before)

    PS: all of those ^ were solo queue since normal mm was impossible to play last week (even worse balancing -> 10 losses more than wins only on last week, before the patch of 2 weeks ago I was winning like 2 of 3 games, reverted this week and got paired up with people with almost 0 experience -> 30 games is the lowest I played that week)
    Last edited by knurlhelm; 07-18-2013 at 10:11 PM.

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